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From: Shark8 <onewingedshark@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ada Distilled by Richard Riehle
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 14:34:40 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2018-07-27T14:34:40-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d89a34f0-3a49-41d2-9d3d-8e85fe26bea8@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pjfu1l$lmn$1@gioia.aioe.org>

On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:07:21 PM UTC-6, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> 
> Types algebra, yes. Most important type operations Ada lacks are:
> 
> - ad-hoc supertypes,
> - interface inheritance,
> - full MI,
> - full MD

Ad-hoc supertypes are, I think, a mistake. The value in SUBTYPE is that it is a singular set of restrictions [possibly null] placed upon it's "supertype". What this means is that for every SUBTYPE S there's an application of 'Base to get to the first subtype (Ada "TYPE") -- This means that the relation of TYPE/SUBTYPE can be graphed as a tree; if we introduce ad-hoc supertypes, we lose this property and now have to contend with a full many-to-many possibility TYPE-network rather than TYPE-tree. And I fail to see how this would be useful in-practice. (IOW, what is the real use-case? Does that use-case justify such an increase in complexity?)

I'm in agreement with interface-inheritance, I think: IIRC, you're referring to what is essentially my idea for "abstract interfaces" whereby we could define Ada's type-system in terms of the stated hierarchy; as per this picture:  https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ada_Programming/Type_System#The_Type_Hierarchy -- exposing what is already fairly explicit in the LRM. 

Multiple Inheritance -- I'm not sure this is a good idea at all. Looking at C++ programmers and their experiences it seems to be more trouble than it's actually worth. (Interfaces aren't so bad, but can still conflict; Delphi has the IMPLEMENTS keyword that can be used for both disambiguation as well as delegation.) ...Why do you think Ada (or its successor) should have full MI?

Multiple Dispatch -- This one I can see having more usability than Multiple Inheritance.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-07-27 21:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-15 18:09 Ada Distilled by Richard Riehle rabbibotton
2018-07-16  1:02 ` Shark8
2018-07-21  6:07   ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-26  0:42     ` rabbibotton
2018-07-26 20:17       ` Shark8
2018-07-26 21:10         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-07-27  3:01           ` Paul Rubin
2018-07-27 14:32           ` rabbibotton
2018-07-27 20:18             ` Paul Rubin
2018-07-27 17:02           ` Shark8
2018-07-27 14:30         ` rabbibotton
2018-07-27 17:11           ` Shark8
2018-07-27 18:52             ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-27 20:07               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-07-27 20:38                 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-27 21:32                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-07-28  2:41                     ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-28  7:10                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-07-28 15:01                         ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-28 15:41                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-07-28 16:05                             ` Dan'l Miller
2018-08-06 19:33                             ` Vincent
2018-08-06 22:01                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-12-09 11:13                                 ` Kevin Chadwick
2018-07-27 21:34                 ` Shark8 [this message]
2018-07-27 22:16                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-07-28  3:52                 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-28  7:12                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-07-27 20:35               ` Paul Rubin
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