From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a24:2f41:: with SMTP id j62-v6mr1108965itj.19.1523989633052; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 11:27:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:590b:: with SMTP id t11-v6mr168534oth.7.1523989632909; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 11:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.uzoreto.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!e130-v6no3132719itb.0!news-out.google.com!u64-v6ni5862itb.0!nntp.google.com!e130-v6no3132714itb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 11:27:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.233.194; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.233.194 References: <1c73f159-eae4-4ae7-a348-03964b007197@googlegroups.com> <878t9nemrl.fsf@nightsong.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IEhvdyB0byBnZXQgQWRhIHRvIOKAnGNyb3NzIHRoZSBjaGFzbeKAnT8=?= From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 18:27:13 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 3637 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2403514904 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51563 Date: 2018-04-17T11:27:12-07:00 List-Id: On Tuesday, April 17, 2018 at 10:53:15 AM UTC-5, Dan'l Miller wrote: > On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 12:36:03 AM UTC-5, Paul Rubin wrote: > > "Dan'l Miller" writes: > > > How will Ada use one base of programmers/software-engineers as a basi= s > > > to move onto convincing another group of programmers/software- > > > engineers of Ada's advantages? Or is the purpose of Ada to preach to > > > its current choir without trying to fill the pews with new > > > parishioners? > >=20 > > I'd like to know why Rust was invented: there was obviously a need for = a > > safer alternative to C++, but was Ada the answer that everyone simply > > overlooked? >=20 > I keep seeing hints in the Rust community that they are aware of the exis= tence of Ada but have never written a program in Ada because of perceived i= nsurmountable time-expenditure/odds/learning-curve. >=20 > https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/2og8xf/why_rust_started_rather_tha= n_ada >=20 > https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/48vh1m/rust_vs_ada >=20 > https://lwn.net/Articles/547614 >=20 > http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/5277 >=20 > to pick a few. >=20 > > I think answering your question would require an informed and critical > > comparison between Rust and Ada. >=20 > I haven't yet found =E2=80=A2that=E2=80=A2 blow-by-blow-narrated feature-= comparison between Rust and Ada. But I found something roughly in the ballpark: comparison of Rust to nea= rly all the lack-of-safeties that Ada stands (or tries to stand) against. = See URL below. > http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920033707.do >=20 > Scott Meyers _Effective C++_ series books from the 1990s had an over-arch= ing message effectively of:=20 > =E2=80=98just stay away from these troubled topics in C++ and you'll be j= ust fine.=E2=80=99 But this new book in the series > has a drastically different feel and message. It is written in the same = self-help book style as his 1990s > books at the level of the surface text, but the subtext for the clever re= ader with deep-insight reading > comprehension is effectively a subversive harsh critique of modern C++. And here is a (self-)critique of where (some current or prior version of) R= ust falls short of its goals in whole or in part. https://doc.rust-lang.org/nomicon