From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,c406e0c4a6eb74ed X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews2.google.com!not-for-mail From: kevin.cline@gmail.com (Kevin Cline) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: ADA Popularity Discussion Request Date: 26 Aug 2004 13:42:32 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <49dc98cf.0408110556.18ae7df@posting.google.com> <4CsVc.28876$9Y6.4063@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 170.215.188.12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1093552952 11213 127.0.0.1 (26 Aug 2004 20:42:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:3049 Date: 2004-08-26T13:42:32-07:00 List-Id: Jeffrey Carter wrote in message news:<4CsVc.28876$9Y6.4063@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>... > Kevin Cline wrote: > > > I think the very existence of limited types is a fundamental flaw in > > Ada. > > The ability to create types for which there are no operations except > those defined by the developer is essential for creating useful > abstractions. Since the creation of useful abstractions is the hallmark > of software engineering, it is not surprising that Ada is the language > of choice for the 2% of developers who are software engineers, and > disliked by the 98% who are coders and should not be allowed to design > software of any importance. It's unfortunate to see this circular ad-hominem argument is repeated over and over again in this newsgroup. "I am a good programmer. I like Ada. Therefore all good programmers should like Ada. Programmers who don't like Ada must be poor programmers." And even the first assertion is doubtful. No progress can come from this argument. Better to notice that a lot of very good programmers have rejected Ada, and figure out why.