From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,c406e0c4a6eb74ed X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews2.google.com!not-for-mail From: kevin.cline@gmail.com (Kevin Cline) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: ADA Popularity Discussion Request Date: 28 Aug 2004 07:05:41 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <49dc98cf.0408110556.18ae7df@posting.google.com> <4CsVc.28876$9Y6.4063@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 170.215.185.96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1093701942 29997 127.0.0.1 (28 Aug 2004 14:05:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:3115 Date: 2004-08-28T07:05:41-07:00 List-Id: Jeffrey Carter wrote in message news:... > Kevin Cline wrote: > > > The efficacy of much pre-code activity is debatable. Many > > organizations have had great success with more agile methods of > > minimal up-front design followed by test-driven development and > > continuous refactoring. > > The success of agile methods is debatable. Much of agile methods is > simply a rehash of the rapid prototyping spiral methods of the 1970s > intended to elicit requirements, and those are excellent methods when > requirements are unclear. The main difference between those methods and > agile methods is that the latter eliminates the final iteration of the > spiral methods, in which the now well defined requirements are used to > create a design, which is then implementated, possibly reusing some of > the code from the prototypes. I think the main ideas of agile development are test-driven development, and continuous refactoring of code. Neither was a key practice in 1970s style rapid prototyping methods.