From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.70.43.77 with SMTP id u13mr4161147pdl.0.1404860632518; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 16:03:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.131.232 with SMTP id op8mr745obb.40.1404860632223; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 16:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!news.ripco.com!news.glorb.com!r10no25319igi.0!news-out.google.com!gf2ni3igb.0!nntp.google.com!r10no25301igi.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 16:03:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=206.53.78.59; posting-account=ShYTIAoAAABytvcS76ZrG9GdaV-nXYKy NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.78.59 References: <72b1318a-2eb6-4129-af9b-5bcfbb329c5b@googlegroups.com> <3dcb7839-3003-4fcd-afb6-3369f715102b@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ada's ranking of popularity at IEEE Spectrum From: sbelmont700@gmail.com Injection-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 23:03:52 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:20816 Date: 2014-07-08T16:03:51-07:00 List-Id: On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 1:25:00 PM UTC-4, Shark8 wrote: >=20 > So then, why aren't we-as-a-community doing that? >=20 Mostly because in a strongly typed system, *everything* has to be a generic= . And once you start in with generics, all the little gotchas and quirks m= ake any sort of modestly-complex component next to impossible (or at least = extremely unpleasant) to create. So we, as a community, cannot easily divi= de up the work in a component like manner, and are usually forced to start = all way down at the O/S interface level *for every single project*. And ag= ain, even if you do manage to create an elegant Ada interface to OpenSSL, i= t's not going to be OpenSSL, because OpenSSL is an untyped C API that is an= athema to everything Ada. The better you make it, the further away from th= e standard you get, and the less people are going to want to use it. FWIW, a focus on generics and creating *isolated* reusable components would= be a good focus area for research, because currently it's essentially impo= ssible. -sb