From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,f096ebb5dcac664d X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Adam Beneschan Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada in teaching (was: Ariane 5 Failure from 1996) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <851f477d-c5a4-4c87-b930-4a47ba508579@h8g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> <4a5ce82c$0$32682$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.126.103.122 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247605834 2475 127.0.0.1 (14 Jul 2009 21:10:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.126.103.122; posting-account=duW0ogkAAABjRdnxgLGXDfna0Gc6XqmQ User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.5.21022; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30618),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:7056 Date: 2009-07-14T14:10:32-07:00 List-Id: On Jul 14, 1:18=A0pm, Georg Bauhaus wrote: > John B. Matthews wrote: > > I always though going from Pascal to Ada would have been easier. > > Which subset of Ada? =A0Without exceptionally good explanations, > I can't imagine full Ada, with access discriminants, say, as > a possible teaching vehicle at all. > > Java is probably thought to be closer to business; > at least I've heard teachers say so. It is, > in another sense, at least: sloppy base type systems > and hand made concurrency are a good basis for > continued support business. =A0While Java's int, long, etc. only > require a little hubris to handle them properly, there are the > ubiquituous features of the same spirit, equally successful: > int, long, etc. in C and their integer overflows and buffer > overflows. > These will provide for vulnerability protection opportunities > and help establish international software companies :-) > Java has learned from this base type system, so it > moved the imperfections to object spaghetti. No? > > You should be teaching what everyone wants. > You should be teaching what everyone teaches. > You should be rushing towards a new paradigm > in teaching as soon as it is there. > Be part of the crowd. It's only tax payers' money. My understanding was that the computer science testing was going to be dropped entirely due to low enrollment or budget cuts or something, so none of this matters anyway. But I could have this confused with some other ETS test. -- Adam