From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a0c:b5db:: with SMTP id o27mr8000785qvf.205.1593025562313; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 12:06:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:f5c7:: with SMTP id t190mr21792343oih.157.1593025562101; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 12:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.160.216.MISMATCH!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 12:06:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.233.35; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.233.35 References: <4d9fa282-830d-42f7-a3bf-ba127cb2ad06o@googlegroups.com> <8332f305-299f-45d7-9f9d-2cad924b24d8o@googlegroups.com> <9d941aca-2eb6-4f35-a346-c290c4666bdfo@googlegroups.com> <14ffa125-e27d-4d34-8c12-27afb2ea0b13o@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ada on Apple's new procesors From: Optikos Injection-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 19:06:02 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:59207 List-Id: On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 11:35:09 AM UTC-5, Simon Wright wrote: > "Luke A. Guest" writes: >=20 > > My options are: > > > > 1) Write and Ada compiler. > > 2) Develop my own language without Ada or GNAT's baggage. > > 3) Find another language. >=20 > Isn't there an option 0, carry on using GCC? Yes, option 0 would support only Apple's Intel-based products (and perhaps = still support PowerPC-based defunct products), not the new ARM-based Mac, w= hich is the entire point of OP. Without GNAT-LLVM, no Ada compiler from an= y vendor on the new ARM-based Mac nor on iOS/iPadOS devices. So that is wh= y 2 prior authors omitted option 0: because it is effectively a degenerate= inferior not-quite-a-full-option. > As a side note, the README.md in gnat-llvm says "This is a > work-in-progress research project that=E2=80=99s not meant for and should= n=E2=80=99t be > used for industrial purposes. It=E2=80=99s meant to show the feasibility = of > generating LLVM bitcode for Ada and to open the LLVM ecosystem to Ada, > including tools such as KLEE." It is because of this warning, that I cannot place much trust in AdaCore fi= rmly disclaiming the legal matter of generated executables or DLLs (that li= nk to the runtime) ending up pure GPLed under some usages of LLVM opt, espe= cially certain plug-ins, plus perhaps some other complicating Compilation P= rocess that violates a subtle obligatory term in meeting the stricter Ellig= ibile Compilation Process in the RLE.