From: "Albrecht Käfer" <albrecht_kaefer@yahoo.de>
Subject: Re: Learning Ada
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:19:23 +0200
Date: 2009-07-06T02:19:23+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <h2rgg8$blq$1@online.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4Aa4m.421894$4m1.207252@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
anon schrieb:
> But some people like "Ludovic Brenta, state that most Ada programmers
> would prefer to create their own types. In some case, that goes against the RM
> because it can create a non-standardize form of an Ada programs, that violate
> other RM rules.
It would be really smashing if you could provide some sort of proof for
this bold claim.
> Plus, the RM states that a number of numeric types are
> predefined, such as "Integer", and it subtypes "Natural" and "Positive" as
> well the type "Float" and its subtypes.
> Redefining those predefines types are
> legal in Ada, by simply re-defining the type.
... no? Standard.Integer et al cannot be redefined. You can change the
underlying compiler, but then you could also change "begin" to "start".
> Like for example, using 24 bit integer:
>
> type Integer is range -2 ** 24 .. +2 ** ( 24 - 1 ) ;
>
> To use this new definition of "Integer", globally it needs to be define in the
> standard package,
Now how would you go around doing that?
> but for a single package or routine it better to create a new
> type or subtype and for the routine or package. But in most programming this
> is not necessary. That is, since Ada creation and the DOD dropping it full
> support of Ada, the usage for redefining the numeric data types is almost nil,
> not the norm any more. Plus, the DOD require full documentation on all new
> define types.
Why should we care about what the DoD requires again?
> Now, "Rob Solomon" stated that he think "it would be beneficial, if
> the types Float and Integer were removed from the language".
That is a personal opinion, not a law of nature.
> Second, the predefined types allow for the program to be more portable,
> because a users type might not be accepted on the new system. But using the
> standards or creating a subtype from the standards is better. An example is:
>
> type Integer is range -2 ** 256 .. +2 ** ( 256 - 1 ) ;
>
> which is a valid Ada statement but in a 32-bit and most 64-bit system this
> type is not allowed.
There's nothing stopping you from creating a special Ada compiler
supporting arbitrary-length integers.
Albrecht
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Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-06-28 15:36 unsigned type Rob Solomon
2009-06-28 15:45 ` Florian Weimer
2009-06-28 15:48 ` Albrecht Käfer
2009-06-28 17:56 ` anon
2009-06-28 19:17 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-28 23:08 ` anon
2009-06-29 0:19 ` tmoran
2009-06-29 8:00 ` anon
2009-06-29 9:56 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-06-29 10:21 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-29 11:23 ` sjw
2009-06-29 12:07 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-06-29 20:06 ` anon
2009-06-29 19:31 ` anon
2009-06-29 21:49 ` Georg Bauhaus
[not found] ` <zuKdneNYxfFNLNTXnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
2009-06-30 11:29 ` anon
2009-06-30 12:19 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-29 20:19 ` anon
2009-06-29 20:41 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-29 22:15 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-29 23:08 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-06-29 23:11 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-06-30 12:39 ` Martin
2009-06-29 10:25 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-29 20:02 ` anon
2009-06-29 22:08 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-30 23:01 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-06-30 13:46 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-06-30 15:22 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-06-30 15:59 ` Albrecht Käfer
2009-06-30 16:59 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-06-30 17:44 ` Albrecht Käfer
2009-06-30 18:13 ` Robert A Duff
2009-06-30 18:16 ` Albrecht Käfer
2009-06-30 23:48 ` anon
2009-07-01 1:39 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-07-02 19:04 ` anon
2009-07-02 19:49 ` anon
2009-07-02 21:37 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-07-03 1:42 ` anon
2009-07-03 2:10 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-07-03 7:07 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-03 20:53 ` anon
2009-07-03 21:24 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-04 9:09 ` anon
2009-07-04 13:43 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-06 9:04 ` AdaMagica
2009-07-03 21:46 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-07-04 12:39 ` Martin
2009-07-01 8:09 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-01 15:08 ` Albrecht Käfer
2009-07-11 14:40 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-11 17:18 ` sjw
2009-07-11 18:15 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-11 20:20 ` anon
2009-07-12 17:57 ` Samuel Tardieu
2009-07-12 18:24 ` AdaMagica
2009-07-13 22:03 ` anon
2009-07-14 7:58 ` Martin
2009-07-16 13:54 ` anon
2009-07-16 14:41 ` Martin
2009-07-16 15:12 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-07-11 14:43 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-11 15:22 ` Albrecht Käfer
2009-06-29 8:42 ` Martin
2009-06-29 8:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-29 10:10 ` Martin
2009-06-29 12:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-29 19:26 ` anon
2009-06-29 23:02 ` Martin
2009-06-29 19:47 ` anon
2009-06-30 8:31 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-28 19:54 ` tmoran
2009-06-28 22:34 ` Gary Scott
2009-06-28 23:15 ` John B. Matthews
2009-06-28 23:21 ` anon
2009-06-29 7:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-29 9:52 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-29 12:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-29 13:36 ` Rob Solomon
2009-06-29 14:03 ` Robert A Duff
2009-06-29 14:13 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-29 14:18 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-29 15:40 ` Robert A Duff
2009-07-03 1:41 ` Rob Solomon
2009-07-03 7:12 ` Learning Ada (Was: unsigned type) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2009-07-03 8:38 ` Learning Ada Peter Hermann
2009-07-03 9:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-03 22:20 ` Learning Ada (Was: unsigned type) anon
2009-07-04 14:53 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-05 23:21 ` anon
2009-07-06 0:05 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-06 0:19 ` Albrecht Käfer [this message]
2009-07-06 2:50 ` Learning Ada anon
2009-07-06 6:18 ` AdaMagica
2009-07-06 7:47 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-06 20:21 ` anon
2009-07-06 21:08 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-06 22:43 ` Frank J. Lhota
2009-07-09 22:28 ` anon
2009-07-10 6:23 ` AdaMagica
2009-07-06 10:53 ` Learning Ada (Was: unsigned type) Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-06 19:34 ` anon
2009-07-06 20:29 ` Learning Ada Albrecht Käfer
2009-07-06 21:04 ` Learning Ada (Was: unsigned type) Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-07 19:25 ` sjw
2009-07-06 23:15 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-07-07 15:29 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-07-09 0:15 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-07-09 15:26 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-06-29 15:37 ` unsigned type Adam Beneschan
2009-07-06 20:20 ` Dave
2009-06-29 16:51 ` Martin Krischik
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