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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Timeouts in Ada
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:44:55 -0500
Date: 2014-07-21T18:44:55-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <lqk8ln$50m$1@loke.gir.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: lq9d2e$2on$1@dont-email.me

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"J-P. Rosen" <rosen@adalog.fr> wrote in message 
news:lq9d2e$2on$1@dont-email.me...
> Le 17/07/2014 22:29, Adam Beneschan a écrit :
>> J-P's statement makes no sense if we're talking about low-level or OS 
>> threads
> I should have included my statement between <lawiers_hat_off> ...
> </lawiers_hat_off>
>
> In practice, and not to confuse the OP, tasks correspond to OS threads.
> I meant that the language does not require creating separate threads
> when not explicitely stated. Of course, a crazy implementation can do it
> any way it pleases, provided it is equivalent to the model.

Nothing crazy about it for implementing ATC. I remember talking about doing 
exactly that when Ada 9x was designed, and the rules were supposed to allow 
it. But it does require some hoops vis-a-vis exceptions, current task, etc.

ATC isn't useful on Windows unless one uses two threads, as most OS calls 
cannot be interrupted. The first example in the RM - 9.7.4(11) will never 
work on Windows unless a two thread model is used. We just discussed that in 
the ARG meeting -- in your office no less -- I'm surprised that you forgot 
about it.

Of course, we decided that it's not important that ATC is useful. (We added 
a disclaimer that cannot possibly be true of the first example.) Ergo, 
talking about ATC is a waste of time, no one should use it because you can't 
expect it to work (portably).

                                                 Randy.


  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-21 23:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-17  5:18 Timeouts in Ada NiGHTS
2014-07-17  7:08 ` Simon Wright
2014-07-17  8:35   ` NiGHTS
2014-07-21 23:34   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-22  1:11     ` Shark8
2014-07-22  7:39       ` J-P. Rosen
2014-07-22  8:31         ` Simon Wright
2014-07-22 21:52       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-17  7:38 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-07-17  8:40   ` NiGHTS
2014-07-17 10:00     ` J-P. Rosen
2014-07-17 19:27   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-17 19:51     ` J-P. Rosen
2014-07-17 20:52       ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-17 20:29     ` Adam Beneschan
2014-07-17 20:52       ` J-P. Rosen
2014-07-21 23:44         ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2014-07-17 20:43     ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-21 23:37   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-17  7:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-07-17  8:59   ` NiGHTS
2014-07-17  9:48     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-07-17 17:10       ` NiGHTS
2014-07-17 20:45         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-07-17 16:12 ` Adam Beneschan
2014-07-17 16:46   ` NiGHTS
2014-07-17 17:11     ` Simon Wright
2014-07-17 17:58       ` NiGHTS
2014-07-17 19:02         ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-17 18:58       ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-17 18:12     ` Adam Beneschan
2014-07-17 19:27       ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-17 18:56     ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-23 22:37     ` Robert A Duff
2014-07-24  9:23       ` AdaMagica
2014-07-24 15:37         ` Robert A Duff
2014-07-25  5:16           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-25  9:11           ` AdaMagica
2014-07-25 16:15             ` Brad Moore
2014-07-25 16:34             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-07-17 19:27 ` Jeffrey Carter
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