From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Simon Wright Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to get Ada to "cross the chasm"? Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 08:45:09 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <1c73f159-eae4-4ae7-a348-03964b007197@googlegroups.com> <878t9nemrl.fsf@nightsong.com> <87h8o7lowg.fsf@nightsong.com> <8736zqkwat.fsf@nightsong.com> <6839088c-f221-4650-a6ea-1841ae539486@googlegroups.com> <1e5f5681-0e2a-43cc-9437-2bd38078da08@googlegroups.com> <87604lvkqp.fsf@nightsong.com> <0bd80336-595a-45b6-b4e5-26c13d5859cb@googlegroups.com> <87o9idsh7f.fsf@nightsong.com> <87k1t1s9lx.fsf@nightsong.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: h2725194.stratoserver.net; posting-host="19d508097e270330fab81de48c3dbcb9"; logging-data="30981"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18cqC/5p1AQpn1Qz18VM8tro0gEJEMjwlg=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:XUPnB+NTOzd6LNr5a3cRIM+7MOU= sha1:aVHHTdNMwT65qEKh74RyVZtIN0U= Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51721 Date: 2018-04-26T08:45:09+01:00 List-Id: "Randy Brukardt" writes: > I personally think SPARK is the worst thing every to happen to Ada, > because it took the focus off of the great things that Ada 2012 itself > can do for you (without any verification) and onto something that only > makes sense for a niche. I might not go as far as that, but I'm deeply impressed by people who can use SPARK without formal training and possibly even ongoing handholding. I tried proving a quicksort and failed dismally; my fault no doubt, but the CE version of the tool seemed a little flaky, where fixing what it seemed to be saying was the problem resulted in a game of cyclic whack-a-mole. And Time!