From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,6511c3dc6e1155c9 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news2.google.com!proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!enst.fr!melchior!cuivre.fr.eu.org!melchior.frmug.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert C. Leif" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GWindows and David Botton Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:39:28 -0700 Organization: Newport Instruments Message-ID: Reply-To: rleif@rleif.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelace.ada-france.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org 1096353593 7137 212.85.156.195 (28 Sep 2004 06:39:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:39:53 +0000 (UTC) To: Return-Path: X-Authenticated-User: rleif.rleif.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSlJbj9LhFmmBvkRRCaI8ctWXMyzw== X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ada-france.org X-BeenThere: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Gateway to the comp.lang.ada Usenet newsgroup" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:4306 Date: 2004-09-27T23:39:28-07:00 Although CLAW is the only package that is able to hide most of Windows' complexity and ugliness, continued development of it for the Windows GUI is a poor long-term bet. One of the major advantages of CLAW is that it is a thick binding. Since Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) XML Graphics for the Web (http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/) and XForms (http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/) provide the infrastructure for a GUI, why not interface to them and have a truly portable standard GUI. The XML documents (code) required to be generated should be of about the same complexity as a Windows Resource file. There is the extra benefit that this product should interface with the next version of OpenOffice (http://www.openoffice.org/). The OpenOffice schema are much more readable that those for Microsoft Office and appear to be based on W3C standards, such as SVG and XSL:fo. OpenOffice "Mission Statement" "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format." Bob Leif ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: 27 Sep 2004 14:23:13 -0700 From: mcneills@landcareresearch.co.nz (Stephen McNeill) Subject: Re: GWindows and David Botton To: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org Message-ID: <116a1020.0409271323.1922da15@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Georg Bauhaus wrote in message news:... > I hope that Randy Brukardt's and Tom Moran's respective offers (making > the rest of CLAW GMGPLed, which, if I understand correctly, will include > the media packages) are not deliberately ignored? > > Or is there some technical profit in not co-ordinating efforts? > I guess Ada vendors have customer who do already use CLAW. Will > they be attracted to another great effort likely to be very similar > to CLAW, and abandon a supported product (CLAW) that already meets > their needs? > What kind of support can they expect? > > Conversly, imagine that for a Windows bindings project you had > - RR Software's experience in building Windows bindings > - CLAW customers' interest in the project if based on CLAW > - and possibly other vendors' (and customers') interest in an > alternative high level Ada binding. > > > -- Georg Georg, that is a fair point. That is one of the reasons why (in a message a few weeks ago I think) I asked whether it was important to continue working with GWindows, or alternatively give it a decent burial. If the consensus is to stand in behind CLAW, then provided there is some general assurance that it is likely to survive, with a basic cost that is generally acceptable to a reasonable range of users, then I shall stand in line to offer help. Stephen