From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed9.news.xs4all.nl!85.12.16.70.MISMATCH!peer03.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer03.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 21:54:11 -0500 From: Dennis Lee Bieber Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to get Ada to ?cross the chasm?? Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 22:54:10 -0400 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn Message-ID: References: <874ljo1hvy.fsf@nightsong.com> <87vac4z2lh.fsf@nightsong.com> <87lgcszjdn.fsf@nightsong.com> <87sh6z1kkg.fsf@nightsong.com> <87k1sb1dt3.fsf@nightsong.com> <87d0y3ys2g.fsf@nightsong.com> User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 X-No-Archive: YES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.68.179.11 X-Trace: sv3-GPM/GqD/QpJFuRsGmP60nreUBnXhd4FcuSAEJuiRIC4b2Pe7gx7F7Ue9VuHG0djU9A393ONIP7Kaa7W!3A4OY4LPjvtBHli1r2ieyB06o6N5pL6OkCjF2JB8KPnGMqAms5u2I3kpAzEWAfb3TwL7fXzqbf5s!rvI+TOKUtGLig+9OR94nVMFwAIg= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4356 X-Received-Bytes: 4568 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1084735480 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:52242 Date: 2018-05-10T22:54:10-04:00 List-Id: On Thu, 10 May 2018 17:05:59 -0700, Paul Rubin declaimed the following: > >Oh ok, I thought you were referring to more recent discussion on this >thread. But I've always thought the claim that Ada (83) was designed by >committee was bogus, because it was in fact designed by Jean Ichbiah. > Remember though, that there was a competition with different teams offering their take on answering the DoD requirements -- so in that sense Green is what fell out of the various ideas ; and between the winning Green and Mil-Std 1815 (not 1815A, I'm talking the Dec 1980 standard that so many seem to forget about) were no doubt some changes made under DoD suggestion/review. All my references are currently in storage (I'm slowly moving across the county) or I'd maybe have a bit more of that history (in my viewpoint). From the foreword to 1815A (hmm, looks like Adobe Reader can OCR the page images, if a bit imperfectly) reads "Ada is the result of a collective effort to design a common language tor programming large scale and reek time systems." (for "tor" read "for" and for "reek" read "real-") {I hesitate to go further as that foreword is loaded with names of participants still active here} >I've on the other hand seen it claimed that Ada was (my interpretation) >rescued from oblivion by none other than Richard Stallman, who freaked >out at the proposal to make GNAT part of the GNU project, because Ada as >then envisioned couldn't accomodate separate compilation. Jean Ichbiah >had instead decided there had to be a library of compiled packages that >the compiler had to access while compiling, which made the order in >which separate modules were compiled critical. After discussions with >Stallman, Bob Dewar then came up with a way to allow Ada packages to be >compiled separately from each other, and everyone uses that scheme >today. See: http://www.ada2012.org/files/Thoughts_on_Ada.pdf . > Hmmm, even that article ignores the three years from Mil-Std 1815 to 1815A. However -- I do wonder how much of that matter could be traced to the concurrent (to Steelman) STONEMAN requirements from the DoD for an Ada Programming Support Environment interacting with concepts for the Ada language itself. >> For my comparative language course (so small we met in a conference >> room) I used [shortened] https://www.amazon.com/dp/0137306970 > >Thanks! That book is from 1980 though. I'll keep looking at the online >Ada 2012 stuff for now. Well -- so was my senior year when I had that comparative language course ; it is based upon the final Green language proposal, published nearly a year before Mil-Std 1815. -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/