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From: Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family?
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 10:03:08 -0400
Date: 2014-07-19T10:03:08-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <o0uks99ghrb954fq8t1u19fjghe313nti9@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: ea033067-3f03-4756-841f-ec588d6de32c@googlegroups.com

On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:08:46 -0700 (PDT), isaac1.0@gmail.com declaimed the
following:

>
>I remember learning Pascal, it was nice, but didn't think too much of it. The prejudice I see against it (and other similar languages) is that it is seen as a "learning" language, so it's not good enough for real work.
>
	Given that the original specification did not support:

		Separate compilation and linking
		Include files

meaning the entire program had to be in one file...

	And that many implementations were variants of the P4 byte-code
interpreter (or the UCSD P-code system) running on slow hardware that did
not support virtual memory. The Alcor Pascal on my TRS-80 -- which, as I
recall, did have an INCLUDE capability, was limited in terms of the source
file it could handle; I believe it could just manage to compile itself (not
that I had the source for it, just from the documentation) when using the
slow overlayed compiler mode. The faster non-overlayed limited compilations
to (I forget) 1000 or 4000 statements. It may have supported a form of
linking since the byte-code was generated as ASCII HEX, and could be
cut&pasted using a text editor.

	The UCSD P-system only supported one open output file per disk drive at
any time -- as it always opened that file in the largest contiguous empty
span on the drive; and did not support fragmented files. Running a utility
to pack the disk after doing much development was routine.
-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
    wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/


  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-07-19 14:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-16 12:25 why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-07-16 16:55 ` Luke A. Guest
2014-07-16 17:40 ` john
2014-07-16 17:47   ` Adam Beneschan
2014-07-16 19:57     ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-17 11:53       ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Luke A. Guest
2014-07-17 17:06         ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-16 20:52     ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, " Georg Bauhaus
2014-07-16 19:22   ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Wright
2014-07-16 19:52   ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-17  2:14     ` Dan'l Miller
2014-07-17  5:29     ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, anon
2014-07-17 12:24       ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Dan'l Miller
2014-07-22  0:01         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-22  0:59           ` pincerfae
2014-07-22 14:41           ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Dan'l Miller
2014-07-22 21:46             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-16 17:41 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Adam Beneschan
2014-07-16 23:06   ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-16 22:10 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " torralbaduran
2014-07-17 11:08 ` Harvey White
2014-07-17 12:04   ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-17 12:11     ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-17 12:20     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-07-18  2:17       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-07-18  6:53         ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Wright
2014-07-17 21:37 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " leonid.dulman
2014-07-17 22:25   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-07-17 23:50   ` Shark8
2014-07-18  1:00   ` Lucretia
2014-07-18  8:01   ` J-P. Rosen
2014-07-18 15:35   ` Presentation for the Ada-Europe conference (Was: why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-07-19  9:10   ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Pascal Obry
2014-07-18 11:09 ` leonid.dulman
2014-07-18 18:08 ` isaac1.0
2014-07-18 19:04   ` gautier_niouzes
2014-07-21 23:09     ` isaac1.0
2014-07-19 14:03   ` Dennis Lee Bieber [this message]
2014-07-19 12:17 ` jm.tarrasa
2014-07-19 14:12   ` gvdschoot
2014-07-19 14:26     ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-19 14:35       ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " gvdschoot
2014-07-19 16:38         ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-19 17:11           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-07-19 14:56     ` Dan'l Miller
2014-07-19 15:20       ` gvdschoot
2014-07-19 17:56 ` Per Sandberg
2014-07-20 19:40   ` pincerfae
2014-07-20 22:30     ` Shark8
2014-07-20 22:51       ` gautier_niouzes
2014-07-20 23:11         ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, " Shark8
2014-07-20 23:21           ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, " Dan'l Miller
2014-07-21  1:42             ` Shark8
2014-07-21  4:57               ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-07-21  6:51                 ` Shark8
2014-07-21 18:01                   ` pincerfae
2014-07-20 23:18         ` Dan'l Miller
2014-07-21  1:16           ` Shark8
2021-05-27  6:53 ` Robin Vowels
2021-05-27  7:55   ` ldries46
2021-05-27 16:45     ` Robin Vowels
2021-05-28  7:22       ` ldries46
2021-05-28 13:59         ` Robin Vowels
2021-05-27 23:47     ` Wilson
2021-05-27 15:46   ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2021-05-27 16:00     ` Paul Rubin
2021-05-27 16:49       ` Robin Vowels
2021-05-27 17:53       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2021-05-28  0:34       ` John Perry
2021-05-28 12:37         ` Shark8
2021-05-28 13:07           ` John Perry
2021-05-28 13:28             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-05-30 16:12               ` Luke A. Guest
2021-05-30 19:00                 ` Bill Findlay
2021-05-31 14:26                   ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-01  0:32                     ` Bill Findlay
2021-06-01  3:34                       ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-01 11:23                         ` Bill Findlay
2021-06-01 16:46                           ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-01 23:04                             ` Bill Findlay
2021-06-02 14:04                               ` John Perry
2021-06-02 14:38                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-06-02 17:26                                   ` Simon Wright
2021-06-02 18:13                                 ` Bill Findlay
2021-05-28 15:01           ` Gautier write-only address
2021-05-28 14:49       ` Gautier write-only address
2021-05-28 19:22         ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-01 14:09           ` Shark8
2021-06-02 18:51             ` Gautier write-only address
2021-06-07 17:56               ` Shark8
2021-06-02 19:17 ` Gabriele Galeotti
2021-06-02 23:11   ` Randy Brukardt
2021-06-03  1:29     ` Gabriele Galeotti
2021-06-03 16:51       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2021-06-02 23:40   ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-03  1:04     ` Gabriele Galeotti
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