From: Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family?
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 10:03:08 -0400
Date: 2014-07-19T10:03:08-04:00 [thread overview]
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:08:46 -0700 (PDT), isaac1.0@gmail.com declaimed the
following:
>
>I remember learning Pascal, it was nice, but didn't think too much of it. The prejudice I see against it (and other similar languages) is that it is seen as a "learning" language, so it's not good enough for real work.
>
Given that the original specification did not support:
Separate compilation and linking
Include files
meaning the entire program had to be in one file...
And that many implementations were variants of the P4 byte-code
interpreter (or the UCSD P-code system) running on slow hardware that did
not support virtual memory. The Alcor Pascal on my TRS-80 -- which, as I
recall, did have an INCLUDE capability, was limited in terms of the source
file it could handle; I believe it could just manage to compile itself (not
that I had the source for it, just from the documentation) when using the
slow overlayed compiler mode. The faster non-overlayed limited compilations
to (I forget) 1000 or 4000 statements. It may have supported a form of
linking since the byte-code was generated as ASCII HEX, and could be
cut&pasted using a text editor.
The UCSD P-system only supported one open output file per disk drive at
any time -- as it always opened that file in the largest contiguous empty
span on the drive; and did not support fragmented files. Running a utility
to pack the disk after doing much development was routine.
--
Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/
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2014-07-16 12:25 why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-07-16 16:55 ` Luke A. Guest
2014-07-16 17:40 ` john
2014-07-16 17:47 ` Adam Beneschan
2014-07-16 19:57 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-17 11:53 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Luke A. Guest
2014-07-17 17:06 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-16 20:52 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, " Georg Bauhaus
2014-07-16 19:22 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Wright
2014-07-16 19:52 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-17 2:14 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-07-17 5:29 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, anon
2014-07-17 12:24 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Dan'l Miller
2014-07-22 0:01 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-22 0:59 ` pincerfae
2014-07-22 14:41 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Dan'l Miller
2014-07-22 21:46 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-16 17:41 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Adam Beneschan
2014-07-16 23:06 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-16 22:10 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " torralbaduran
2014-07-17 11:08 ` Harvey White
2014-07-17 12:04 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-17 12:11 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-17 12:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-07-18 2:17 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-07-18 6:53 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Wright
2014-07-17 21:37 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " leonid.dulman
2014-07-17 22:25 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-07-17 23:50 ` Shark8
2014-07-18 1:00 ` Lucretia
2014-07-18 8:01 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-07-18 15:35 ` Presentation for the Ada-Europe conference (Was: why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-07-19 9:10 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Pascal Obry
2014-07-18 11:09 ` leonid.dulman
2014-07-18 18:08 ` isaac1.0
2014-07-18 19:04 ` gautier_niouzes
2014-07-21 23:09 ` isaac1.0
2014-07-19 14:03 ` Dennis Lee Bieber [this message]
2014-07-19 12:17 ` jm.tarrasa
2014-07-19 14:12 ` gvdschoot
2014-07-19 14:26 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-19 14:35 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " gvdschoot
2014-07-19 16:38 ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-19 17:11 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-07-19 14:56 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-07-19 15:20 ` gvdschoot
2014-07-19 17:56 ` Per Sandberg
2014-07-20 19:40 ` pincerfae
2014-07-20 22:30 ` Shark8
2014-07-20 22:51 ` gautier_niouzes
2014-07-20 23:11 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, " Shark8
2014-07-20 23:21 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, " Dan'l Miller
2014-07-21 1:42 ` Shark8
2014-07-21 4:57 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-07-21 6:51 ` Shark8
2014-07-21 18:01 ` pincerfae
2014-07-20 23:18 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-07-21 1:16 ` Shark8
2021-05-27 6:53 ` Robin Vowels
2021-05-27 7:55 ` ldries46
2021-05-27 16:45 ` Robin Vowels
2021-05-28 7:22 ` ldries46
2021-05-28 13:59 ` Robin Vowels
2021-05-27 23:47 ` Wilson
2021-05-27 15:46 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2021-05-27 16:00 ` Paul Rubin
2021-05-27 16:49 ` Robin Vowels
2021-05-27 17:53 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2021-05-28 0:34 ` John Perry
2021-05-28 12:37 ` Shark8
2021-05-28 13:07 ` John Perry
2021-05-28 13:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-05-30 16:12 ` Luke A. Guest
2021-05-30 19:00 ` Bill Findlay
2021-05-31 14:26 ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-01 0:32 ` Bill Findlay
2021-06-01 3:34 ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-01 11:23 ` Bill Findlay
2021-06-01 16:46 ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-01 23:04 ` Bill Findlay
2021-06-02 14:04 ` John Perry
2021-06-02 14:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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