From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey R. Carter" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to get Ada to ?cross the chasm?? Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 10:39:47 +0200 Organization: Also freenews.netfront.net; news.tornevall.net; news.eternal-september.org Message-ID: References: <1c73f159-eae4-4ae7-a348-03964b007197@googlegroups.com> <87k1su7nag.fsf@nightsong.com> <87po2la2qt.fsf@nightsong.com> <87in8buttb.fsf@jacob-sparre.dk> <3f7a7f76-c5eb-4cba-9051-6b5dfeeb906c@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 08:39:48 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="0bf9106b11a5aa59ef18b2d99eecd140"; logging-data="29638"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19c43bKZq0/9kKQ/4uoHhe8U+T5/7FeJJs=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 In-Reply-To: <3f7a7f76-c5eb-4cba-9051-6b5dfeeb906c@googlegroups.com> Content-Language: en-US Cancel-Lock: sha1:+AxngLF78HdcQO9cQpNiMZ7RAVQ= Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51783 Date: 2018-04-29T10:39:47+02:00 List-Id: On 04/29/2018 02:39 AM, patrick@spellingbeewinnars.org wrote: > > I am not a professional program[mer], I make my living repairing and/or reselling scientific instruments, please keep this in mind. I'm going to hijack this comment and twist it to serve as a way to repeat yet again: Ada is a language for software engineers. If you're a S/W eng, Ada supports the way you think and you'll be able to produce correct, reliable, simple, clear, and understandable S/W using it much more quickly than with most other languages. If you're not a S/W eng (a coder), Ada will fight you every step of the way and you won't like it. Coders prefer coders' languages that let them easily make as big a mess as they like. In my experience, S/W engs are about 2% of developers. 98% of developers are coders. So, on one side of the chasm we have Ada and the S/W engs who like it. On the other side we have everyone else. How can we get Ada to cross the chasm? 1. Dumb Ada down until it becomes a coders' language. Some steps have been taken in this direction: see anonymous access types, for example. 2. Find an effective way to distinguish S/W engs from coders and prohibit coders from developing S/W. We can hope that 1. won't proceed any further and liability will force us to 2., but I'm not holding my breath. -- Jeff Carter "Ditto, you provincial putz?" Blazing Saddles 86