From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey R. Carter" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to get Ada to ?cross the chasm?? Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 16:52:10 +0200 Organization: Also freenews.netfront.net; news.tornevall.net; news.eternal-september.org Message-ID: References: <1c73f159-eae4-4ae7-a348-03964b007197@googlegroups.com> <87k1su7nag.fsf@nightsong.com> <87po2la2qt.fsf@nightsong.com> <87in8buttb.fsf@jacob-sparre.dk> <3f7a7f76-c5eb-4cba-9051-6b5dfeeb906c@googlegroups.com> <88ae8672-543e-4943-b388-f92ab551198f@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 14:52:10 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="0bf9106b11a5aa59ef18b2d99eecd140"; logging-data="9204"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+V0Ms7ZeSqZzWwwH+ON1TuZeyiuD03xGs=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 In-Reply-To: <88ae8672-543e-4943-b388-f92ab551198f@googlegroups.com> Content-Language: en-US Cancel-Lock: sha1:zd8t2H+2NTek0CwJeQbwVGw/Svc= Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51793 Date: 2018-04-29T16:52:10+02:00 List-Id: On 04/29/2018 12:50 PM, patrick@spellingbeewinnars.org wrote: > > "2. Find an effective way to distinguish S/W engs from coders and prohibit coders from developing S/W." > > This is mind-bogglingly arrogant. The topic is how to get Ada to "cross the chasm". The chasm is between the S/W engs who like Ada and the coders who don't. I know from experience that coders will not willingly use Ada. There are 2 ways to get Ada to cross that chasm: turn Ada into a language that coders like or get rid of the chasm by getting rid of coders (getting rid of S/W engs will also get rid of the chasm, but not in a way that gets Ada more widely used). I see no other way. If you do, then we should know what it is, but you should be aware that this has been discussed for decades without anything changing. If pointing out the only 2 ways to get Ada to cross the chasm is arrogant, then so be it. -- Jeff Carter "Ditto, you provincial putz?" Blazing Saddles 86