From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!gandalf.srv.welterde.de!news.jacob-sparre.dk!franka.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED.rrsoftware.com!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to get Ada to ?cross the chasm?? Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 17:15:58 -0500 Organization: JSA Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <322f9b26-01de-4753-bb50-6ef2f3d993d8@googlegroups.com><87a7th9pd1.fsf@nightsong.com><87h8no1nli.fsf@nightsong.com> <874ljo1hvy.fsf@nightsong.com> <87vac4z2lh.fsf@nightsong.com> <87lgcszjdn.fsf@nightsong.com> <87sh6z1kkg.fsf@nightsong.com> <87k1sb1dt3.fsf@nightsong.com> Injection-Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 22:16:01 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: franka.jacob-sparre.dk; posting-host="rrsoftware.com:24.196.82.226"; logging-data="19088"; mail-complaints-to="news@jacob-sparre.dk" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.7246 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:52219 Date: 2018-05-10T17:15:58-05:00 List-Id: "Paul Rubin" wrote in message news:87k1sb1dt3.fsf@nightsong.com... ... > That doesn't mean the language's largeness implies doom all by itself. > C++ is large but it's mainstream. The issue is whether you have to read > a 1000 page document to use the language at all, or if it's sufficient > to start with a subset and expand outward from there. Most C++ users > start with a subset, and I suspect not very many know the full language. > I myself certainly don't. > > I would have thought starting with a subset of Ada is also legitimate, > but if it's not, then Ada is probably doomed. Starting with a subset is certainly fine. Starting with a subset and then assuming that *all* of the capabilities of the language are similar to what's in the subset is not so fine. But that appears to be what you're doing in these discussions -- you understand a Pascal-like subset of Ada and then pretty much ignore all of the other possibilities. If you did that for C++, you'd get essentially C; would that be a fair way to look at C++'s capabilities?? Randy.