From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey R. Carter" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to get Ada to ?cross the chasm?? Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 18:08:19 +0200 Organization: Also freenews.netfront.net; news.tornevall.net; news.eternal-september.org Message-ID: References: <1c73f159-eae4-4ae7-a348-03964b007197@googlegroups.com> <87zi1gz3kl.fsf@nightsong.com> <878t8x7k1j.fsf@nightsong.com> <87k1sg2qux.fsf@nightsong.com> <87h8njmk4r.fsf@nightsong.com> <87po27fbv9.fsf@nightsong.com> <87in7x62vw.fsf@nightsong.com> <878t8szdtk.fsf@nightsong.com> <87tvrdhl5v.fsf@nightsong.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 16:08:19 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="278cc7421811c1702777470b026ab5c4"; logging-data="16408"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18o/YuV+HB8mwjnyC0YajRHINtMC9dr9wc=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Cancel-Lock: sha1:4Jf6zlel/G3gpe4gnGHiG7BzqVI= Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:52319 Date: 2018-05-12T18:08:19+02:00 List-Id: On 05/12/2018 05:51 PM, Niklas Holsti wrote: > > I've not worked in any (formally) agile projects, so my view may be idealised. > But AIUI, the first step is certainly not coding; it is to talk in depth with > the customer about the background and overall aims of the SW project, find out > what seems to be a good *minimum* set of functionality to start from, formalise > requirements *only* for that part, and then implement it, in the first sprint. "[T]he [Agile] idea that it's bad to spend an appropriate time at the beginning of the project to clarify the overall requirements and design ..." "... the Agile catechism: we're Agile, we don't need to stop and think, we just go ahead and code!" Bertrand Meyer -- Jeff Carter "Death awaits you all, with nasty, big, pointy teeth!" Monty Python & the Holy Grail 20