From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey R. Carter" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to get Ada to ?cross the chasm?? Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 19:34:49 +0200 Organization: Also freenews.netfront.net; news.tornevall.net; news.eternal-september.org Message-ID: References: <1c73f159-eae4-4ae7-a348-03964b007197@googlegroups.com> <87zi1gz3kl.fsf@nightsong.com> <878t8x7k1j.fsf@nightsong.com> <87k1sg2qux.fsf@nightsong.com> <87h8njmk4r.fsf@nightsong.com> <87po27fbv9.fsf@nightsong.com> <87in7x62vw.fsf@nightsong.com> <878t8szdtk.fsf@nightsong.com> <87tvrdhl5v.fsf@nightsong.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 17:34:50 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="25e5c258a97ad7808af12e570a67b3f3"; logging-data="11678"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18a7d6O8L6hB6bdA+zH7G/E5jjicjPrczE=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:YQCIoDoA1PEsEB2KmGnIIumGQcE= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:52359 Date: 2018-05-15T19:34:49+02:00 List-Id: On 05/15/2018 12:21 AM, Randy Brukardt wrote: > > I think you're confusing "agile programming" with the related but silly > "extreme programming" and "test-driven development". > > Agile programming itself is simply a style where one uses a relatively short > development cycle with the intent to have a usable/testable version of the > end product as early and as continuously as possible. This allows feedback > from the customer and from testing the product itself. Did you see the Meyer quotes from another post? Clearly "shut up and start coding" was a common feature of the Agile projects he reported on. Iterative methods have been around for a lot longer than Agile, and I've preferred them. Short iterations are also often a good idea. -- Jeff Carter "I've got to stay here, but there's no reason why you folks shouldn't go out into the lobby until this thing blows over." Horse Feathers 50