From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!newsfeed.xs3.de!io.xs3.de!news.jacob-sparre.dk!franka.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED.rrsoftware.com!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to get Ada to ?cross the chasm?? Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 16:32:21 -0500 Organization: JSA Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <1c73f159-eae4-4ae7-a348-03964b007197@googlegroups.com> <87zi1gz3kl.fsf@nightsong.com> <878t8x7k1j.fsf@nightsong.com> <87k1sg2qux.fsf@nightsong.com> <87h8njmk4r.fsf@nightsong.com> <87po27fbv9.fsf@nightsong.com> <87in7x62vw.fsf@nightsong.com> <878t8szdtk.fsf@nightsong.com> <87tvrdhl5v.fsf@nightsong.com> Injection-Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 21:32:21 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: franka.jacob-sparre.dk; posting-host="rrsoftware.com:24.196.82.226"; logging-data="25692"; mail-complaints-to="news@jacob-sparre.dk" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.7246 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:52362 Date: 2018-05-15T16:32:21-05:00 List-Id: "Jeffrey R. Carter" wrote in message news:pdf5nq$bcu$1@dont-email.me... > On 05/15/2018 12:21 AM, Randy Brukardt wrote: >> >> I think you're confusing "agile programming" with the related but silly >> "extreme programming" and "test-driven development". >> >> Agile programming itself is simply a style where one uses a relatively >> short >> development cycle with the intent to have a usable/testable version of >> the >> end product as early and as continuously as possible. This allows >> feedback >> from the customer and from testing the product itself. > > Did you see the Meyer quotes from another post? Clearly "shut up and start > coding" was a common feature of the Agile projects he reported on. Surely, bad management is possible with any programming style! And following some programming technique slavishly without understanding why is clearly the mark of bad management. Randy.