From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!gandalf.srv.welterde.de!news.jacob-sparre.dk!franka.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED.rrsoftware.com!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective? Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 13:47:34 -0500 Organization: JSA Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <856189aa-fa00-4960-929e-174f352310ad@googlegroups.com> <2718c8d4-5f35-4fd8-a1aa-1e60069a7a5d@googlegroups.com> <39fce60c-9f56-42fb-b679-fa08810b00ee@googlegroups.com> <3701bf07-89a5-4cb0-a704-5aebb589ca79@googlegroups.com> <2f5e4ce0-94e8-4b94-9da7-045ec90a9b22@googlegroups.com> <18554067-1382-4b43-a832-2d27aa5117d7@googlegroups.com> <8dc19505-b68a-403c-a164-f1de1864f3f1@googlegroups.com> <559657f8-bbf4-4a70-9449-f85bc98d6c6b@googlegroups.com> <590d4672-4aef-42a5-823c-57ccd291115a@googlegroups.com> <8de6b5ba-25ab-4d46-b80c-1544f43a9b05@googlegroups.com> <9c874b9d-18c8-43bc-ab90-66d2fc446758@googlegroups.com> Injection-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 18:47:34 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: franka.jacob-sparre.dk; posting-host="rrsoftware.com:24.196.82.226"; logging-data="30152"; mail-complaints-to="news@jacob-sparre.dk" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.7246 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53700 Date: 2018-07-06T13:47:34-05:00 List-Id: Semantic coupling is (I think) a strict subset of compile-time coupling. How big a subset is what matters. Randy. "Dan'l Miller" wrote in message news:9c874b9d-18c8-43bc-ab90-66d2fc446758@googlegroups.com... On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 1:53:31 PM UTC-5, Randy Brukardt wrote: > "Maciej Sobczak" wrote in message > news:c91c4183-a8fe-4b7a-858e-616728fbe844@googlegroups.com... > ... > >That is, this hypothetical possibility that you described (and that no > >vendor cared to reap during the last 30 years) does not make Ada > >any better language than C++ (in this particular regard). > > This statement is completely False: the Rational environment did take > advantage of these possibilities decades ago. (I presume the version > available from PTC still does.) As recently discussed here, people who > used > that development environment tended to be very happy; perhaps this was one > of the factors? > > In any case, semantic coupling is many times more important than > compile-time coupling, since it causes actual maintenance problems. > Perhaps > focusing on that would make the differences more apparent??? What would semantic coupling that lacks a syntactic* representation look like in Ada [with at least a smidgeon of wise & good, I hope]-or in C++ for that matter [worse, I suspect])? * and thus doesn't appear in compile-time coupling, which is what we have discussed so far