From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5-pre1 (2020-06-20) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5-pre1 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED.2uCIJahv+a4XEBqttj5Vkw.user.gioia.aioe.org!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Proposal: Auto-allocation of Indefinite Objects Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:49:44 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <94a54092-a56f-4a99-aaec-08dd611c8fd8@googlegroups.com> <8a502b6c-4609-4cd8-b292-5797fe6421e1n@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 2uCIJahv+a4XEBqttj5Vkw.user.gioia.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2 X-Mozilla-News-Host: news://news.aioe.org Content-Language: en-US Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:59767 List-Id: On 20/08/2020 02:10, Randy Brukardt wrote: > "Dmitry A. Kazakov" wrote in message > news:rgr267$1o1n$1@gioia.aioe.org... >> No, from the abstraction point of view they do not. They indeed abstract >> the memory allocation aspect, but they do that at the cost of *everything* >> else. Unbounded_String is no string anymore. Container is neither array >> nor record type. Unbounded_String must be converted forth and back. For >> containers I must use ugly hacks like iterators to make them resemble >> arrays and records introducing whole levels of complexity to fight through >> every time the compiler or I miss something. >> >> In most cases I prefer to keep a clear array or record interface at the >> expense of manual memory management. >> >>> There's no free lunch. >> >> I think with a better type system there could be a whole banquet. (:-)) > > Maybe. but IMHO a better type system would get rid of arrays and strings > altogether and only have containers/records of various sorts. The complexity > of having both solving the same problems (not very well in the case of > arrays/strings) doesn't buy much. I suspect that a user-defined "." as > you've proposed elsewhere would eliminate most of the rest of the problems > (and unify everything even further). But records and arrays are needed as building blocks of containers. How would you get rid of them? -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de