From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: is there a version of unix written in Ada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 11:26:13 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <rl47bk$1nn9$1@gioia.aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87sgayl6o0.fsf@nightsong.com
On 01/10/2020 09:57, Paul Rubin wrote:
> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> writes:
>> I do not see why loss must be any bigger that other means of
>> synchronization.
>
> The address translation hardware unavoidably introduces delays,
> especially when there are TLB cache misses.
1. So does deploying system-wide spin locks etc.
2. Then I don't see how are you going to go without address translation.
Are you going to recompile and re-link everything in absolute addresses
every time anything changes and then reboot?
>> 1. You still have to share memory and use global resources for
>> interlocking etc.
>
> You have that either way.
That is the point.
>> 2. I would argue that hardware-assisted virtualization and insulation
>> of processes produces more lean and effective code than cooperative
>> model.
>
> It's still preemptive driven by hardware interrupts like any other OS.
So, where is performance gain? You still need storing/restoring
registers and other context's data upon preemting.
>> Lack of virtualization leads to abstraction inversion and all sorts of
>> low-level programming tricks that make code very ugly, fragile and
>> quite inefficient.
>
> The OS and compiler take care of that.
Neither can do anything about it. You either have abstraction, like flat
contiguous address space, however implemented, or you do not. The
penalty is always there. You can have some relief from the hardware or none.
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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