From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: is there a version of unix written in Ada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 16:54:09 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <rl5j62$94i$1@franka.jacob-sparre.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87o8lml1md.fsf@nightsong.com
"Paul Rubin" <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Are you going to recompile and re-link everything in
>> absolute addresses every time anything changes and then reboot?
>
> Position independent code is a thing.
Sure, but it's impractical on the Intel architectures as the machines are
too register-poor to use them unnecessarily.
Besides, it doesn't seem necessary; the loader can translate addresses when
an executable is installed. (That's commonly done in .EXE files.) Most data
is indirectly accessed anyway (stack or heap based), so the actual address
it lives at isn't relevant (and the rest can be translated when loading).
Dmitry said:
> You either have abstraction, like flat contiguous address space, however
> implemented, or you do not.
Flat address spaces are greatly overrated. It's much better to organize
programs as a series of separate segments anyway. No one should be reading
code or executing data anyway, so why should they share an address space??
The problem with 1980's segments was that they were too small, requiring
lots of juggling of segments, but that's not a problem on more modern
architectures.
To me, a "flat address space" is precisely destroying abstraction. Code /=
Data and they should not be treated the same. (Many of the problems with
malware occur precisely because it is easy to execute data.).
Randy.
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2020-09-30 22:42 ` Randy Brukardt
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2020-10-01 10:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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