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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Learning Ada
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 17:47:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <rmfsao$9pv$1@franka.jacob-sparre.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: rmfglq$dlh$1@z-news.wcss.wroc.pl

<antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl> wrote in message 
news:rmfglq$dlh$1@z-news.wcss.wroc.pl...
> Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote:
>> On 02/10/2020 20:43, gautier...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 1:09:57 PM UTC+2, Dmitry A. Kazakov 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I mostly agree with your analysis, except the last part. The problem 
>> >> is
>> >> that the culture of programming and overall education became so low 
>> >> that
>> >> it is no more a race against C++. C++ itself is in defense and losing
>> >> against languages and practices so overwhelmingly bad that even C 
>> >> looks
>> >> as a shining beacon. Winter is coming.
>> >
>> > 20-30 years ago the pointy haired bosses would warmly recommend a 
>> > buzzword called C++ (or something spelled "tchavasiblosblos" in some 
>> > places) for A?ti projects, but now they all want a digital 
>> > transformation strategy with blockchain and machine learning. I'm not 
>> > sure if the level is really lower (we tend to make the past nicer in 
>> > our minds). But clearly the notion of programming language was lost on 
>> > the way :-) ...
>>
>> Well, the method of ML used in these days goes back to an idea from
>> 50's. It was promptly discarded then as too weak to solve elementary
>> classification problems. The AI of late 80's was far more diversified,
>> advanced and powerful than this mockery, yet it died peacefully, because
>> of limitations it had. I don't even know what to think about all this.
>
> Hmm, I would say that progress from perceptron in 50 to current ANN
> is bigger than progress from FORTRAN to Ada.  Would you accept
> critique of Ada based on experience with FORTRAN?  Anyway,
> ML researches tried various methods and currently ANN give
> best results.  Using methods from 80's it would be hard or
> impossible to get results obtained by modern methods.
>
> I would very much prefer more principled apprach than ANN,
> but arguing against reality is not productive...

The reality is that (non-artificial) intelligence seems to no longer exist, 
at least where people have power. One can either try to alter that reality, 
or accept impending doom. Not sure where I stand anymore on this.

                                Randy. 


  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-17 22:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-15 10:36 Learning Ada Jack Davy
2020-09-15 14:31 ` Anders Wirzenius
2020-09-15 15:07   ` Jack Davy
2020-09-15 15:54     ` Ludovic Brenta
2020-09-15 17:01 ` Simon Wright
2020-09-15 17:07   ` Simon Wright
2020-09-15 19:03     ` Jack Davy
2020-09-15 19:28       ` Gautier write-only
2020-09-15 23:00       ` Jerry Petrey
2020-09-16  1:23       ` Paul Rubin
2020-09-16  7:13         ` Jack Davy
2020-09-16  7:32           ` Jack Davy
2020-09-16  9:13           ` Gautier write-only
2020-09-16 10:55           ` Ludovic Brenta
2020-09-16 11:09             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-10-02 18:43               ` gautier...@hotmail.com
2020-10-03  6:43                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-10-05 18:36                   ` Shark8
2020-10-17 19:28                   ` antispam
2020-10-17 22:47                     ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2020-10-18  6:45                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-09-16 15:01           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2020-09-18  6:53             ` Mart van de Wege
2020-09-18 10:00               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2020-09-16 21:29           ` Paul Rubin
2020-10-06  4:06           ` andrew...@gmail.com
2020-10-06  7:32             ` Jack Davy
2020-10-17 23:02               ` mgr
2020-10-22 10:32                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-07-24 14:21 Frederick Williams
2010-07-24 16:21 ` Simon Wright
2010-07-25 20:33 ` mockturtle
2009-06-28 17:56 unsigned type anon
2009-06-28 19:54 ` tmoran
2009-06-29 13:36   ` Rob Solomon
2009-06-29 14:18     ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-03  1:41       ` Rob Solomon
2009-07-03  7:12         ` Learning Ada (Was: unsigned type) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2009-07-03  8:38           ` Learning Ada Peter Hermann
2009-07-03  9:44             ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-03 22:20           ` Learning Ada (Was: unsigned type) anon
2009-07-04 14:53             ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-05 23:21               ` anon
2009-07-06  0:19                 ` Learning Ada Albrecht Käfer
2009-07-06  2:50                   ` anon
2009-07-06  6:18                     ` AdaMagica
2009-07-06  7:47                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-06 20:21                       ` anon
2009-07-06 21:08                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-06 22:43                         ` Frank J. Lhota
2009-07-09 22:28                           ` anon
2009-07-10  6:23                             ` AdaMagica
2009-07-06 10:53                 ` Learning Ada (Was: unsigned type) Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-06 19:34                   ` anon
2009-07-06 20:29                     ` Learning Ada Albrecht Käfer
     [not found] <36841f24.293012@news.ptd.net>
1998-12-25  0:00 ` learning ada LeakyStain
1998-12-26  0:00   ` David Botton
1989-06-15  1:48 Learning ADA Krishan M Nainani
1989-06-15 14:19 ` Rosa Weber
1985-09-06 15:10 Learning Ada Marty Sasaki
     [not found] <332@harvard.UUCP>
1985-09-04 16:07 ` richw
1985-09-03  2:46 Marty Sasaki
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