From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Learning Ada
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 17:47:50 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <rmfsao$9pv$1@franka.jacob-sparre.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: rmfglq$dlh$1@z-news.wcss.wroc.pl
<antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl> wrote in message
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> Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote:
>> On 02/10/2020 20:43, gautier...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 1:09:57 PM UTC+2, Dmitry A. Kazakov
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I mostly agree with your analysis, except the last part. The problem
>> >> is
>> >> that the culture of programming and overall education became so low
>> >> that
>> >> it is no more a race against C++. C++ itself is in defense and losing
>> >> against languages and practices so overwhelmingly bad that even C
>> >> looks
>> >> as a shining beacon. Winter is coming.
>> >
>> > 20-30 years ago the pointy haired bosses would warmly recommend a
>> > buzzword called C++ (or something spelled "tchavasiblosblos" in some
>> > places) for A?ti projects, but now they all want a digital
>> > transformation strategy with blockchain and machine learning. I'm not
>> > sure if the level is really lower (we tend to make the past nicer in
>> > our minds). But clearly the notion of programming language was lost on
>> > the way :-) ...
>>
>> Well, the method of ML used in these days goes back to an idea from
>> 50's. It was promptly discarded then as too weak to solve elementary
>> classification problems. The AI of late 80's was far more diversified,
>> advanced and powerful than this mockery, yet it died peacefully, because
>> of limitations it had. I don't even know what to think about all this.
>
> Hmm, I would say that progress from perceptron in 50 to current ANN
> is bigger than progress from FORTRAN to Ada. Would you accept
> critique of Ada based on experience with FORTRAN? Anyway,
> ML researches tried various methods and currently ANN give
> best results. Using methods from 80's it would be hard or
> impossible to get results obtained by modern methods.
>
> I would very much prefer more principled apprach than ANN,
> but arguing against reality is not productive...
The reality is that (non-artificial) intelligence seems to no longer exist,
at least where people have power. One can either try to alter that reality,
or accept impending doom. Not sure where I stand anymore on this.
Randy.
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2020-09-15 10:36 Learning Ada Jack Davy
2020-09-15 14:31 ` Anders Wirzenius
2020-09-15 15:07 ` Jack Davy
2020-09-15 15:54 ` Ludovic Brenta
2020-09-15 17:01 ` Simon Wright
2020-09-15 17:07 ` Simon Wright
2020-09-15 19:03 ` Jack Davy
2020-09-15 19:28 ` Gautier write-only
2020-09-15 23:00 ` Jerry Petrey
2020-09-16 1:23 ` Paul Rubin
2020-09-16 7:13 ` Jack Davy
2020-09-16 7:32 ` Jack Davy
2020-09-16 9:13 ` Gautier write-only
2020-09-16 10:55 ` Ludovic Brenta
2020-09-16 11:09 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-10-02 18:43 ` gautier...@hotmail.com
2020-10-03 6:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-10-05 18:36 ` Shark8
2020-10-17 19:28 ` antispam
2020-10-17 22:47 ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2020-10-18 6:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-09-16 15:01 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2020-09-18 6:53 ` Mart van de Wege
2020-09-18 10:00 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2020-09-16 21:29 ` Paul Rubin
2020-10-06 4:06 ` andrew...@gmail.com
2020-10-06 7:32 ` Jack Davy
2020-10-17 23:02 ` mgr
2020-10-22 10:32 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
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2010-07-24 14:21 Frederick Williams
2010-07-24 16:21 ` Simon Wright
2010-07-25 20:33 ` mockturtle
2009-06-28 17:56 unsigned type anon
2009-06-28 19:54 ` tmoran
2009-06-29 13:36 ` Rob Solomon
2009-06-29 14:18 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-03 1:41 ` Rob Solomon
2009-07-03 7:12 ` Learning Ada (Was: unsigned type) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2009-07-03 8:38 ` Learning Ada Peter Hermann
2009-07-03 9:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-03 22:20 ` Learning Ada (Was: unsigned type) anon
2009-07-04 14:53 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-05 23:21 ` anon
2009-07-06 0:19 ` Learning Ada Albrecht Käfer
2009-07-06 2:50 ` anon
2009-07-06 6:18 ` AdaMagica
2009-07-06 7:47 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-06 20:21 ` anon
2009-07-06 21:08 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-06 22:43 ` Frank J. Lhota
2009-07-09 22:28 ` anon
2009-07-10 6:23 ` AdaMagica
2009-07-06 10:53 ` Learning Ada (Was: unsigned type) Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-06 19:34 ` anon
2009-07-06 20:29 ` Learning Ada Albrecht Käfer
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1998-12-25 0:00 ` learning ada LeakyStain
1998-12-26 0:00 ` David Botton
1989-06-15 1:48 Learning ADA Krishan M Nainani
1989-06-15 14:19 ` Rosa Weber
1985-09-06 15:10 Learning Ada Marty Sasaki
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1985-09-04 16:07 ` richw
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