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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: array from static predicate on enumerated type
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:04:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <s2hrn2$3ee$1@gioia.aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 6ca041f3-2669-4497-9548-2f17666702a6n@googlegroups.com

On 2021-03-13 03:06, Matt Borchers wrote:
> I pretty much agree with Dmitry on this.  The usefulness of this is very, very low without better support from the language itself.  However, Dmitry, if programmers should not consider a feature of a language as an option for a solution, then it begs the question on the quality of the language, quality of the compiler, or questions the abilities of caretakers of Ada.  Don't get me wrong, however, I think Ada is exceptional.

Subtyping is a very difficult problem. When a new type is created by 
constraining [*] this necessarily breaks things.

Ada 83 was very careful to limit that to ranges and discriminant values. 
That breaks, sure, but the damage is minor and can be controlled [by the 
programmer]. In contrast, an arbitrary constraint [as well as arbitrary 
extension] is like a carpet bombing.

My view, as a programmer, is that features of type algebra [which 
subtyping by constraining is] must be carefully limited to enable 
massive language support in detection of substitutablity issues at 
*compile* time. Features must be reasonably safe to use.

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*  Sorry, guys, Ada subtypes are types.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-03-13  8:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-12 20:49 array from static predicate on enumerated type Matt Borchers
2021-03-12 21:22 ` Egil H H
2021-03-12 22:16 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-03-12 22:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-03-13  2:06   ` Matt Borchers
2021-03-13  4:55     ` Randy Brukardt
2021-03-15 14:16       ` Matt Borchers
2021-03-15 17:53         ` Shark8
2021-03-16  6:58         ` Randy Brukardt
2021-03-13  8:04     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2021-03-15 14:11       ` Matt Borchers
2021-03-15 17:48         ` Shark8
2021-03-15 20:25           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-03-16 13:27             ` Shark8
2021-03-16 14:25               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-03-17  4:05                 ` Matt Borchers
2021-03-17  7:08                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-03-17 18:44                     ` Matt Borchers
2021-03-17 19:41                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-03-18  1:30                         ` Matt Borchers
2021-03-18  8:20                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-03-19  0:10                             ` Matt Borchers
2021-03-19  8:00                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-03-18 10:15                           ` Niklas Holsti
2021-03-18 10:47                             ` AdaMagica
2021-03-18 11:26                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-03-19  0:34                             ` Matt Borchers
2021-03-19  0:49                               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-03-23  1:07                                 ` Matt Borchers
2021-03-23  3:43                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2021-03-22 19:09                               ` Niklas Holsti
2021-03-17 15:08                   ` Shark8
2021-03-17 19:08                     ` Matt Borchers
2021-03-17 20:41                       ` Shark8
2021-03-18  1:04                         ` Matt Borchers
2021-03-18 14:25                           ` Shark8
2021-03-18 23:36                             ` Matt Borchers
2022-03-16  0:38             ` Thomas
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