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From: "Jeffrey R. Carter" <spam.jrcarter.not@spam.not.acm.org>
Subject: Re: Unchecked_Deallocation with tagged types
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:35:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <s5oo53$4kt$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ie8uagFqaf2U1@mid.individual.net>

On 4/20/21 11:10 PM, Niklas Holsti wrote:
> On 2021-04-20 23:32, Jeffrey R. Carter wrote:
>> On 4/20/21 8:53 PM, Randy Brukardt wrote:
>>>
>>> 'Free makes more sense in a new language (an Ada follow-on).
>>
>> Right. I don't think it would be a good idea to add it to Ada.
>>
>> But I think a new language should not have pointers at all.
>>
>> No more radical than not having arrays.
> 
> 
> It seems to me that a language without arrays and pointers would be very 
> difficult to use in an embedded, real-time, close-to-HW context. So we would 
> lose the nice wide-spectrum nature of Ada.

I don't see that pointers are needed for such S/W.

Brukardt has recently been discussing the idea that a high-level language such 
as Ada should not have arrays, which is why I referenced it. Such a language 
might not be convenient for such systems.

But the idea is that arrays are a low-level implementation feature that are 
usually used to implement higher-level abstractions, such as sequences and maps. 
A language without arrays would have direct support for such abstractions. My 
experience is that most uses of arrays in embedded, real-time S/W are also for 
such abstractions, so it would probably not be too great a problem.

-- 
Jeff Carter
"Monsieur Arthur King, who has the brain of a duck, you know."
Monty Python & the Holy Grail
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-21  8:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-17 21:45 Unchecked_Deallocation with tagged types DrPi
2021-04-17 22:29 ` Rod Kay
2021-04-17 22:36   ` Rod Kay
2021-04-18  9:06     ` DrPi
2021-04-18  9:07     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-04-18  8:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-04-18  8:46   ` Gautier write-only address
2021-04-18  9:09     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-04-18 10:13       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-04-16  3:44         ` Thomas
2022-04-16  8:09           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-04-18 10:20       ` J-P. Rosen
2021-04-18 10:34         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-04-18 15:14           ` J-P. Rosen
2021-04-18 15:23             ` Gautier write-only address
2021-04-18 15:53               ` J-P. Rosen
2021-04-18 16:08                 ` Gautier write-only address
2022-04-16  5:00                   ` Thomas
2021-04-20 18:53               ` Randy Brukardt
2021-04-20 19:35                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-04-18  5:51                   ` Thomas
2022-04-18  6:26                     ` Niklas Holsti
2021-04-20 20:32                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-04-20 21:10                   ` Niklas Holsti
2021-04-21  8:35                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter [this message]
2021-04-21 10:11                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-04-24  0:49                     ` Randy Brukardt
2022-04-18  1:51                       ` Thomas
2021-04-18 16:08         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-04-18  9:13   ` DrPi
2021-04-18 10:01     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-04-18 10:42       ` DrPi
2021-04-18 16:48     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-04-20 15:57       ` Stephen Leake
2021-04-20 17:24         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-04-20 17:34           ` Vincent Marciante
2021-04-20 20:56             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-04-21 10:21               ` Vincent Marciante
2021-04-21 10:28                 ` Vincent Marciante
2021-04-21 12:13                 ` Simon Wright
2021-04-21 13:28                 ` J-P. Rosen
2021-04-22 10:21                   ` Vincent Marciante
2021-04-21 13:42                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-04-24  1:04                 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-04-12 23:25                   ` use clauses Thomas
2022-04-13  1:05                     ` Randy Brukardt
2022-04-14  2:51                       ` 25.BX944
2022-04-14  6:49                         ` Emmanuel Briot
2022-04-15  5:33                         ` Doctor Who
2022-04-19  3:53                       ` Thomas
2022-04-19  5:59                         ` Randy Brukardt
2021-04-22  8:55           ` Unchecked_Deallocation with tagged types Stephen Leake
2021-04-22 11:16             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-04-22 15:49               ` Vincent Marciante
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1996-11-22  0:00 Paul Burnim
1996-11-23  0:00 ` Simon Wright
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