From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5-pre1 (2020-06-20) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5-pre1 Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey R. Carter" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Unchecked_Deallocation with tagged types Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:35:45 +0200 Organization: Also freenews.netfront.net; news.tornevall.net; news.eternal-september.org Message-ID: References: <607b56f8$0$3721$426a34cc@news.free.fr> <07863309-4541-4497-8cec-d88179e634bdn@googlegroups.com> <3d6e49b6-f195-4dc2-bf4b-795f18f2da9dn@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:35:47 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="d9a3d62f61dbe0d007c6208cf9b6b246"; logging-data="4765"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX186TpA5zP/9gQFyttaXgpBiZn7c0wEc+/g=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 Cancel-Lock: sha1:c0dr7S89fiRmupX7kMYGC1bXbww= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:61879 List-Id: On 4/20/21 11:10 PM, Niklas Holsti wrote: > On 2021-04-20 23:32, Jeffrey R. Carter wrote: >> On 4/20/21 8:53 PM, Randy Brukardt wrote: >>> >>> 'Free makes more sense in a new language (an Ada follow-on). >> >> Right. I don't think it would be a good idea to add it to Ada. >> >> But I think a new language should not have pointers at all. >> >> No more radical than not having arrays. > > > It seems to me that a language without arrays and pointers would be very > difficult to use in an embedded, real-time, close-to-HW context. So we would > lose the nice wide-spectrum nature of Ada. I don't see that pointers are needed for such S/W. Brukardt has recently been discussing the idea that a high-level language such as Ada should not have arrays, which is why I referenced it. Such a language might not be convenient for such systems. But the idea is that arrays are a low-level implementation feature that are usually used to implement higher-level abstractions, such as sequences and maps. A language without arrays would have direct support for such abstractions. My experience is that most uses of arrays in embedded, real-time S/W are also for such abstractions, so it would probably not be too great a problem. -- Jeff Carter "Monsieur Arthur King, who has the brain of a duck, you know." Monty Python & the Holy Grail 09