From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5-pre1 (2020-06-20) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5-pre1 Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!5WHqCw2XxjHb2npjM9GYbw.user.gioia.aioe.org.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 15:28:48 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <5afvagd0g4uajs1ji35v3lorkgb2kd56qu@4ax.com> <87wnrkf9pr.fsf@nightsong.com> <37c582bb-3012-4954-a26c-5d9614ac0c84n@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 5WHqCw2XxjHb2npjM9GYbw.user.gioia.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.2 Content-Language: en-US X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:62039 List-Id: On 2021-05-28 15:07, John Perry wrote: > On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 7:37:49 AM UTC-5, Shark8 wrote: >> That story comes from the paper "Oberon: The Overlooked Jewel" — https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Oberon-%E2%80%93-The-Overlooked-Jewel-1-Oberon-%E2%80%93-The-Jewel-Franz/9a7870c543c19eb4f46fdfbdcfb92d33ae2bf810 — >> >>> In order to find the optimal cost/benefit ratio, Wirth used a highly intuitive metric, the origin of which is unknown to me but that may very well be Wirth’s own invention. He used the compiler’s self-compilation speed as a measure of the compiler’s quality. > > Yes, that's it! and alas, I did slightly misremember it. I remember that Turbo Pascal had only one error message, something like "Syntax error in expression" with, God forbid, no column number. Otherwise yes, it was pretty fast, much faster than MS-DOS C/C++ compilers of the time, Borland's own C++ including. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de