From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5-pre1 (2020-06-20) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5-pre1 Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!5WHqCw2XxjHb2npjM9GYbw.user.gioia.aioe.org.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: calling function but ignoring results Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 22:34:41 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <69a59fdc-72bb-4202-99fc-d776530de653n@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 5WHqCw2XxjHb2npjM9GYbw.user.gioia.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 Content-Language: en-US X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:62300 List-Id: On 2021-06-29 21:52, Jeffrey R. Carter wrote: > On 6/29/21 9:25 PM, Matt Borchers wrote: >> It is not very often that ignoring a function result is okay, but I >> have run across many instances of the following block structure in >> code over the years: >> >> declare >>      dont_care : BOOLEAN; >> begin >>      dont_care := foo( x, y ); >> end; > > This sort of thing usually indicates a design problem. True. But there are exceptions from the rule: 1. Bindings to other languages. You normally have the result and you quite often ignore it because it is useless. 2. Side effects of the call. Normally you would overload a function with a procedure, like here: function Pop (Stack : not null access Stack_Type) return Element; procedure Pop (Stack : in out Stack_Type); But you will have a problem (which BTW the proposal fail to address) when overloading is solely on the result: function Get (File : File_Type) return Integer; function Get (File : File_Type) return Float; function Get (File : File_Type) return String; Now if you wanted to skip an integer in the file you could not do it in the proposed way: @ := Get (Standard_Input); -- Ambiguous @ := Integer'(Get (Standard_Input)); -- Ugly And of course, as many times proposed before a better syntax would be the null statement: null ; -- Does not address the problem either >> Is there a Ada 202x feature to support calling functions and ignoring >> the result? > If you want to use a language that allows this, then you probably > shouldn't be developing S/W. I would not say that pieces like: declare Ignore : constant Bar := Foo (Baz); begin null; end; or if Foo (X) then null; end if; are good engineering. But excessive overloading may lead to unexpected collisions if you have many parameters with defaults. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de