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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: New aggregates with Ada 2022.
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 20:10:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <t90ehf$p2t$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: t8ujnr$1hvf$1@gioia.aioe.org

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message 
news:t8ujnr$1hvf$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> On 2022-06-22 01:39, Randy Brukardt wrote:
>> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message
>> news:t8qrmo$p79$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> ...
>>> 1. Built-in operations -> hiding:
>>>
>>>     type T is private;
>>>     function "+" (Left, Right : T) return T; -- Perfectly legal
>>> private
>>>     type T is range 1..100;
>>>
>>> 2. Primitive operations -> overriding.
>>
>> BTW, these two are really the same thing. In the first example, the "+" 
>> is
>> overriding the predefined operation.
>
> Yes, they should be in a better world. A primitive operation is always 
> reachable. The case above works differently from:
>
>    type T is private;
>    overriding
>    function "+" (Left, Right : T) return T is abstract;
>
> But this is a deeper problem of having such operations primitive.
>
>> But note an important difference here from the aggregate case: in no case 
>> is
>> an operation available for the private type that is *not* available for 
>> the
>> full view. Since the syntax and semantics of container aggregates and 
>> array
>> aggregate are subtly different (they are as close as we could make them, 
>> but
>> that is not that close), there definitely are things that would be only
>> possible when written for the private view. That would be new for Ada. So
>> while a definition could be made, it would be confusing in some cases. 
>> And
>> this case isn't useful enough to make that effort.
>
> Much could be resolved by attributing proper types to all assumed or real 
> intermediate steps:
>
>    type T is private;
>    function "+" (Left, Right : T) return T;
> private
>    type T_Parent is range 1..100;
>    type T is new T_Parent;

Don't think this changes anything (at least not in Ada as it stands), since 
that is essentially the meaning of "range 1 .. 100":

     type Some_Int is range 1 .. 100;

means

    type Some_Int is new <Some_Int_Chosen_by_the_Impl> range 1 .. 100;

                        Randy.


  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-23  1:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-19  7:59 New aggregates with Ada 2022 Blady
2022-06-19 14:15 ` Simon Wright
2022-06-20 19:36   ` Blady
2022-06-20 22:01     ` Simon Wright
2022-06-20 21:47 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-20 22:18   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-21 23:28     ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-22  9:04       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-23  1:06         ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-23  9:32           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-23 10:53             ` G.B.
2022-06-24  1:21               ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-24  1:24             ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-24  6:50               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-25  3:13                 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-25  8:50                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-27 21:37                     ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-28  5:36                       ` Niklas Holsti
2022-06-29  4:01                         ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-29  8:30                           ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-06-29  9:04                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-30  5:03                               ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30  8:44                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-29 11:06                             ` Niklas Holsti
2022-06-29 12:53                               ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-06-30  5:07                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30  5:14                               ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30  8:31                                 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2022-07-01  5:20                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30 10:30                                 ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-06-30 15:48                                   ` Marius Amado-Alves
2022-06-30 16:39                                     ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-07-01  0:07                                       ` Marius Amado-Alves
2022-06-28  7:52                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-29  4:07                         ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-29  7:24                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-30  5:00                             ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-21 23:39     ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-22  8:26       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-23  1:10         ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2022-06-23  9:32           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-20 22:10 ` Jesper Quorning
2022-06-20 22:59   ` Jesper Quorning
2022-06-21 23:20     ` Randy Brukardt
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