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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: New aggregates with Ada 2022.
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 20:24:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <t933oh$o2o$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: t91buq$10im$1@gioia.aioe.org

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message 
news:t91buq$10im$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> On 2022-06-23 03:06, Randy Brukardt wrote:
...
>> (How something gets implemented should not be part of a language
>> design, so long as the design does not prevent an efficient 
>> implementation.)
>> I certainly would not treat them as special in any way, just a series of
>> function calls. (Possibly records could be treated that way as well,
>> although it is less clear that an efficient implementation is possible 
>> for
>> them.)
>
> Syntax sugar for subprogram calls is not enough because it does not allow 
> generic programming. One should be able to write a program that deals with 
> any instance of the interface. Like a generic body working with any actual 
> array or a class-wide body which unfortunately is impossible to have for 
> arrays presently.

You're thinking too small. Obviously, in a language without an syntactic 
array construct, every data structure would be some sort of record. So 
class-wide operations would be available for all of those -- and without all 
of the complications of a separate formal array type. The idea is to have 
one mechanism for pretty much everything, and let the compiler sort out the 
results. Back when we created Janus/Ada, that wasn't really practical 
because of memory and CPU speed constraints, but none of that holds true 
anymore. Simplify the language, complicate the compiler!

                                           Randy.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-06-24  1:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-19  7:59 New aggregates with Ada 2022 Blady
2022-06-19 14:15 ` Simon Wright
2022-06-20 19:36   ` Blady
2022-06-20 22:01     ` Simon Wright
2022-06-20 21:47 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-20 22:18   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-21 23:28     ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-22  9:04       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-23  1:06         ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-23  9:32           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-23 10:53             ` G.B.
2022-06-24  1:21               ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-24  1:24             ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2022-06-24  6:50               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-25  3:13                 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-25  8:50                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-27 21:37                     ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-28  5:36                       ` Niklas Holsti
2022-06-29  4:01                         ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-29  8:30                           ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-06-29  9:04                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-30  5:03                               ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30  8:44                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-29 11:06                             ` Niklas Holsti
2022-06-29 12:53                               ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-06-30  5:07                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30  5:14                               ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30  8:31                                 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2022-07-01  5:20                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30 10:30                                 ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-06-30 15:48                                   ` Marius Amado-Alves
2022-06-30 16:39                                     ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-07-01  0:07                                       ` Marius Amado-Alves
2022-06-28  7:52                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-29  4:07                         ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-29  7:24                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-30  5:00                             ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-21 23:39     ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-22  8:26       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-23  1:10         ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-23  9:32           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-20 22:10 ` Jesper Quorning
2022-06-20 22:59   ` Jesper Quorning
2022-06-21 23:20     ` Randy Brukardt
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