From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on ip-172-31-65-14.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_40,NICE_REPLY_A, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Patrick Georgi Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Carbon Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 15:16:40 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 13:16:39 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader01.eternal-september.org; posting-host="81350435b5c69cff3e67fd8460bc7edb"; logging-data="2659501"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18osk4Rqe25yadSD+xzesTz" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.0.3 Cancel-Lock: sha1:mBXDfVeAixrapqKTCIu8YERgKCE= In-Reply-To: Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:64147 List-Id: Am 26.07.2022 um 19:31 schrieb John McCabe: > It really is shockingly soul-destroying watching all that. What's worse is that, from what I've seen over the years, the new languages that have been developed in a more 'relaxed' way than Ada (well, evolved, really, like Java, Python etc) and have become relatively successful have taken a good 10 years or so to get to that point, yet the discussions on the Carbon forum are all about how to appeal to _current_ developers who're used to C++; not _future_ developers who, ideally, would _never_ be used to C++! "if you can use Rust or any other established programming language, you should" is what the Carbon developers say about their own language in their FAQ at https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang/blob/trunk/docs/project/faq.md#if-you-can-use-rust-ignore-carbon That language seems to have a pretty specific scope that may best be summed up as "make C++ into the next Cobol" - that is, probably still used in 60 years in ever more specialized niches while everybody else moved to greener pastures a long time ago. As such, future developers who never used C++ aren't the target audience. Patrick