comp.lang.ada
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: John McCabe <john@nospam.mccabe.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Carbon
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 17:24:55 -0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <tbrsd7$2iq3d$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: tbqs0t$104n$1@gioia.aioe.org

On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 09:10:10 +0100, Luke A. Guest wrote:

> On 26/07/2022 18:31, John McCabe wrote:
> 
<..snip..>

>> It really is shockingly soul-destroying watching all that. What's worse
>> is that, from what I've seen over the years, the new languages that
>> have been developed in a more 'relaxed' way than Ada (well, evolved,
>> really, like Java, Python etc) and have become relatively successful
>> have taken a good 10 years or so to get to that point, yet the
>> discussions on the Carbon forum are all about how to appeal to
>> _current_ developers who're used to C++; not _future_ developers who,
>> ideally, would _never_ be used to C++!
>> 
>> 
> It's depressing dealing with cretin's who all think they're geniuses and
> think that their new idea is so radically different, but is just the
> same old crap wrapped up in a functional style.

LOL - yeah, tell me about it. In this thread that I mentioned (https://
github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang/discussions/1720), I pointed out a 
few things that I'm unhappy with in C++ that, in Ada, are "solved" and 
have been for decades. The result is that someone who appears to have 
very little software development experience misinterpreted the comments 
about half-baked features and locked the thread.

Peter Njeim, however, gave me a bit of support and had a moan about it 
which, via email, allowed me to respond. Now, I'm not one for a quick 
email when I can write an epic, so my response was suitably measured and 
thorough in its justification of the "half-baked" comment, and related to 
a comment that was in the email from Kate Gregory who appears to have 
issues understanding usage of terms within specific contexts. It took me 
ages to write and, basically, the recipient was the upholders of the 
"Carbon Language Code of Conduct" (in particular, the fore-mentioned Ms. 
Gregory).

Now, personally, if I were in a position where I was tasked to uphold a 
code of conduct whose aims were to provide a welcoming forum, and not 
being nasty to people, my response to this would NOT be:

> "Please stop. Our moderators are empowered to decide if conduct is
> within our norms our not. The conduct team acts as a check to ensure
> they are correct. We have thoroughly reviewed and agree all the
> moderators involved in this are correct."

While the hypocrisy left me almost speechless, I did have to laugh :-)

  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-27 17:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-22 21:13 Carbon Gautier write-only address
2022-07-23  9:09 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-23 13:14 ` Carbon Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-07-23 13:49   ` Carbon Stéphane Rivière
2022-07-24  9:09 ` Carbon Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-07-24  9:22   ` Carbon Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-07-24  9:38 ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-26 17:31   ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-27  8:10     ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-27 17:24       ` John McCabe [this message]
2022-07-27 20:00         ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-28 23:48           ` Carbon Nasser M. Abbasi
2022-07-29  4:34             ` Carbon Devin Rozsas
2022-07-29 11:03             ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-29 19:05               ` Carbon Gautier write-only address
2022-07-30  9:16                 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-30  8:11               ` Carbon G.B.
2022-07-29 18:59             ` Carbon Gautier write-only address
2022-07-30  4:26               ` Carbon Nasser M. Abbasi
2022-07-30  9:21               ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-30  1:40             ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-07-30  4:23               ` Carbon Nasser M. Abbasi
2022-08-06 14:18             ` Carbon dennis knorr
2022-08-06 17:48               ` Carbon A.J.
2022-08-07  9:08               ` Carbon G.B.
2022-08-08 21:38                 ` Carbon dennis knorr
2022-08-08 22:28                   ` Carbon Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-08-09  4:12                     ` Carbon Randy Brukardt
2022-08-09  6:05                       ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-09  7:22                       ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-10  1:19                       ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-10  6:20                         ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-10 17:58                           ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-10 18:10                             ` Carbon Dennis Lee Bieber
2022-08-10  8:24                         ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-08-10 17:59                           ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-18  1:02                             ` Carbon Randy Brukardt
2022-08-27  9:49                           ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-27 20:39         ` Carbon Simon Wright
2022-07-27 23:30           ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-25  9:14         ` Carbon Fabien Chouteau
2022-08-25 17:55           ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-26 18:59             ` Carbon Olivier Henley
2022-08-26 20:23               ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-26 20:59                 ` Carbon Olivier Henley
2022-08-26 21:40                   ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-26 22:18                     ` Carbon Olivier Henley
2022-08-27  0:06                       ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-28  0:30                     ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28  1:32                       ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-28  8:57                         ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28 17:34                           ` Carbon G.B.
2022-09-01  6:46                             ` Carbon J-P. Rosen
2022-09-02 14:18                               ` Carbon G.B.
2022-09-02 14:59                                 ` Carbon J-P. Rosen
2022-09-02 17:55                                   ` Carbon Niklas Holsti
2022-09-02 18:45                                     ` Carbon J-P. Rosen
2022-09-03  0:23                                     ` Carbon Randy Brukardt
2022-08-28 20:43                           ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-29  8:57                             ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28  0:14                 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28 17:39                   ` Carbon G.B.
2022-08-28 18:24                     ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-26 23:21               ` Carbon Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-08-27 11:27                 ` Carbon Rod Kay
2022-08-27 15:20                   ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-27 23:47             ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-27 23:39           ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-27  8:45     ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-27 13:16     ` Carbon Patrick Georgi
replies disabled

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox