From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on ip-172-31-65-14.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_40,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John McCabe Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Carbon Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 17:24:55 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 17:24:55 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader01.eternal-september.org; posting-host="1f85e2239a62add38abcc231de2b02fc"; logging-data="2713709"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18KcsX+5pug6nO7XIsmmdSgyYNwUcxe33Y=" User-Agent: Pan/0.147 (Sweet Solitude; 97d1711 github.com/GNOME/pan.git) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Xw1xaOp4a+C8qJNx6QN2WeTivyk= Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:64148 List-Id: On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 09:10:10 +0100, Luke A. Guest wrote: > On 26/07/2022 18:31, John McCabe wrote: > <..snip..> >> It really is shockingly soul-destroying watching all that. What's worse >> is that, from what I've seen over the years, the new languages that >> have been developed in a more 'relaxed' way than Ada (well, evolved, >> really, like Java, Python etc) and have become relatively successful >> have taken a good 10 years or so to get to that point, yet the >> discussions on the Carbon forum are all about how to appeal to >> _current_ developers who're used to C++; not _future_ developers who, >> ideally, would _never_ be used to C++! >> >> > It's depressing dealing with cretin's who all think they're geniuses and > think that their new idea is so radically different, but is just the > same old crap wrapped up in a functional style. LOL - yeah, tell me about it. In this thread that I mentioned (https:// github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang/discussions/1720), I pointed out a few things that I'm unhappy with in C++ that, in Ada, are "solved" and have been for decades. The result is that someone who appears to have very little software development experience misinterpreted the comments about half-baked features and locked the thread. Peter Njeim, however, gave me a bit of support and had a moan about it which, via email, allowed me to respond. Now, I'm not one for a quick email when I can write an epic, so my response was suitably measured and thorough in its justification of the "half-baked" comment, and related to a comment that was in the email from Kate Gregory who appears to have issues understanding usage of terms within specific contexts. It took me ages to write and, basically, the recipient was the upholders of the "Carbon Language Code of Conduct" (in particular, the fore-mentioned Ms. Gregory). Now, personally, if I were in a position where I was tasked to uphold a code of conduct whose aims were to provide a welcoming forum, and not being nasty to people, my response to this would NOT be: > "Please stop. Our moderators are empowered to decide if conduct is > within our norms our not. The conduct team acts as a check to ensure > they are correct. We have thoroughly reviewed and agree all the > moderators involved in this are correct." While the hypocrisy left me almost speechless, I did have to laugh :-)