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From: John McCabe <john@nospam.mccabe.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Carbon
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 23:39:49 -0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <teea05$dmc1$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <993af397-b615-44e7-ae8d-ec706f9b6098n@googlegroups.com>

On 25/08/2022 10:14, Fabien Chouteau wrote:
>On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 7:24:58 PM UTC+2, John McCabe wrote:
>> The result is that someone who appears to have 
>> very little software development experience misinterpreted the comments 
>> about half-baked features and locked the thread. 
>
>I think they did the right thing. And provided explanations:

The issue with this is that, as I mentioned, they misinterpreted what I'd
 said. I specifically mentioned that new, half-baked, features were being
 added to the language, which they are. I don't know if you've used
 C++11/14/17/20 in anger Fabien, but anyone who doesn't think the partial,
 but awkward to use, addition of coroutines in C++20, with the promise of
 'improvements' in C++23 is anything but 'half-baked' is deluded. There are
 numerous other, specific features I was able to itemise in a discussion
 with another person involved in that thread. 

In particular, the person who made that misinterpretation and comment, and
 closed the thread, is someone who has been involved with C++ standards
 development so 1) clearly did not have an objective view on the comments,
 and 2) makes me believe the Carbon 'team' don't actually care about what's
 'right' for the industry. 

>I don't know if the people working on Carbon had a bad opinion about Ada before, but sure do now.

The people working on Carbon clearly don't give a sh1t about Ada; if they
 did, they would not be proposing to 'supersede' C++ by creating a language
 that includes many of the fault-ridden features of that language, a lot of
 which had been solved in Ada before C++ was a twinkle in Stroustrop's eyes.
 

>In the end I think that you did a lot of damage to Ada, its reputation and its community...

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. 

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-08-27 23:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-22 21:13 Carbon Gautier write-only address
2022-07-23  9:09 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-23 13:14 ` Carbon Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-07-23 13:49   ` Carbon Stéphane Rivière
2022-07-24  9:09 ` Carbon Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-07-24  9:22   ` Carbon Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-07-24  9:38 ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-26 17:31   ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-27  8:10     ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-27 17:24       ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-27 20:00         ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-28 23:48           ` Carbon Nasser M. Abbasi
2022-07-29  4:34             ` Carbon Devin Rozsas
2022-07-29 11:03             ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-29 19:05               ` Carbon Gautier write-only address
2022-07-30  9:16                 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-30  8:11               ` Carbon G.B.
2022-07-29 18:59             ` Carbon Gautier write-only address
2022-07-30  4:26               ` Carbon Nasser M. Abbasi
2022-07-30  9:21               ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-30  1:40             ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-07-30  4:23               ` Carbon Nasser M. Abbasi
2022-08-06 14:18             ` Carbon dennis knorr
2022-08-06 17:48               ` Carbon A.J.
2022-08-07  9:08               ` Carbon G.B.
2022-08-08 21:38                 ` Carbon dennis knorr
2022-08-08 22:28                   ` Carbon Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-08-09  4:12                     ` Carbon Randy Brukardt
2022-08-09  6:05                       ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-09  7:22                       ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-10  1:19                       ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-10  6:20                         ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-10 17:58                           ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-10 18:10                             ` Carbon Dennis Lee Bieber
2022-08-10  8:24                         ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-08-10 17:59                           ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-18  1:02                             ` Carbon Randy Brukardt
2022-08-27  9:49                           ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-27 20:39         ` Carbon Simon Wright
2022-07-27 23:30           ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-25  9:14         ` Carbon Fabien Chouteau
2022-08-25 17:55           ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-26 18:59             ` Carbon Olivier Henley
2022-08-26 20:23               ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-26 20:59                 ` Carbon Olivier Henley
2022-08-26 21:40                   ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-26 22:18                     ` Carbon Olivier Henley
2022-08-27  0:06                       ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-28  0:30                     ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28  1:32                       ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-28  8:57                         ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28 17:34                           ` Carbon G.B.
2022-09-01  6:46                             ` Carbon J-P. Rosen
2022-09-02 14:18                               ` Carbon G.B.
2022-09-02 14:59                                 ` Carbon J-P. Rosen
2022-09-02 17:55                                   ` Carbon Niklas Holsti
2022-09-02 18:45                                     ` Carbon J-P. Rosen
2022-09-03  0:23                                     ` Carbon Randy Brukardt
2022-08-28 20:43                           ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-29  8:57                             ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28  0:14                 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28 17:39                   ` Carbon G.B.
2022-08-28 18:24                     ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-26 23:21               ` Carbon Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-08-27 11:27                 ` Carbon Rod Kay
2022-08-27 15:20                   ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-27 23:47             ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-27 23:39           ` John McCabe [this message]
2022-07-27  8:45     ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-27 13:16     ` Carbon Patrick Georgi
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