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From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com>
Subject: Re: Unconstrained Arrays
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:30:23 -0400
Date: 2009-03-25T18:30:23-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wccy6ut1bi8.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4c7128dd-085c-48b0-948f-401fcd64c2a4@c36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com

sjw <simon.j.wright@mac.com> writes:

> That makes so much sense! I think my brain freezes when I see the
> compiler quoting rules about statically matching, so I just remember
> the first 2 lines of the message (as you say, pretty explicit) and
> pass over the reason why in the last 2 lines. After all, GNAT is much
> more likely to be right than I am.

Well, GNAT is right in the sense that it obeys the Ada RM on this point.
But some people (including some of the folks who wrote GNAT) think the
language designers were wrong on this point.  It's an efficiency issue.
You can certainly come up with cases that make a big difference:

    subtype S is String (1..4);
    type A is array (Positive range <>) of aliased S;
    X : A (1..1_000_000);
    
    type S_Ref is access all S;

An object of subtype S is likely 4 bytes without dope, 12 bytes with
dope.  Removing this restriction from the language would triple
the size of X from 4 million bytes to 12 million.  If you only
wanted to point at components of X from objects of type S_Ref,
(as opposed to some "access all String" type) then that would be
annoying (why store 1 million copies of the compile-time-known
values 1 and 4?).

Memory is not cheap -- using more memory tends to cause cache misses.

On the other hand, the restriction is confusing, and not strictly
necessary.

- Bob



  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-25 22:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-17  0:59 Unconstrained Arrays belteshazzar
2009-03-17  1:49 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-03-17  2:58   ` belteshazzar
2009-03-17  4:15     ` Jeffrey Creem
2009-03-17  5:20     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-03-17 17:56       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-03-17 23:10         ` belteshazzar
2009-03-18 18:31           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-03-20  1:53           ` Peter C. Chapin
2009-03-20  6:45             ` sjw
2009-03-20  9:46               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2009-03-20 11:40               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-03-25 21:11                 ` sjw
2009-03-25 22:30                   ` Robert A Duff [this message]
2009-03-25 23:28                     ` Randy Brukardt
2009-03-26  0:03                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-03-26  1:00                         ` Robert A Duff
2009-03-20 12:15               ` christoph.grein
2009-03-20 15:45               ` Adam Beneschan
2009-03-23  8:26                 ` belteshazzar
2009-03-25 21:21                 ` sjw
2009-03-25 22:03                   ` Adam Beneschan
2009-03-26  1:32                     ` tmoran
2009-03-27  8:39                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-03-27 20:07                     ` sjw
2009-03-29 16:24                     ` sjw
2009-03-27 11:57                   ` Gautier
2009-03-17 15:33     ` Adam Beneschan
2009-03-17 23:00       ` belteshazzar
2009-03-17 20:14 ` anon
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