New edition of John Barnes' classic book

New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[Dirk Craeynest]

I noticed that "Programming in Ada 2012", the new edition of John
Barnes' classic book, is now available (in Europe).  Thought many
of you would like to know...

http://www.cambridge.org/be/academic/subjects/computer-science/software-engineering-and-development/programming-ada-2012?localeText=Belgium

Dirk
Dirk.Craeynest@cs.kuleuven.be (for Ada-Belgium/-Europe/SIGAda/WG9 mail)

Re: New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[Pascal Obry]

Le jeudi 19 juin 2014 à 21:19 +0000, Dirk Craeynest a écrit : 
> I noticed that "Programming in Ada 2012", the new edition of John
> Barnes' classic book, is now available (in Europe).  Thought many
> of you would like to know...
> 
> http://www.cambridge.org/be/academic/subjects/computer-science/software-engineering-and-development/programming-ada-2012?localeText=Belgium
> 

Already ordered some weeks ago... I'm waiting for it eagerly :)

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Re: New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[Wesley Pan]

Me too! I can hardly wait for it to arrive! =D

On Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:49:23 PM UTC-7, Pascal Obry wrote:
> Le jeudi 19 juin 2014 à 21:19 +0000, Dirk Craeynest a écrit : 
> 
> Already ordered some weeks ago... I'm waiting for it eagerly :)
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
>   Pascal Obry /  Magny Les Hameaux (78)

Re: New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[Per Sandberg]

Got as an e-book very easy to carry around.


On 19.06.2014 23:19, Dirk Craeynest wrote:
> I noticed that "Programming in Ada 2012", the new edition of John
> Barnes' classic book, is now available (in Europe).  Thought many
> of you would like to know...
>
> http://www.cambridge.org/be/academic/subjects/computer-science/software-engineering-and-development/programming-ada-2012?localeText=Belgium
>
> Dirk
> Dirk.Craeynest@cs.kuleuven.be (for Ada-Belgium/-Europe/SIGAda/WG9 mail)
>

Re: New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[Luke A. Guest]

Per Sandberg <per.s.sandberg@bahnhof.se> wrote:
> Got as an e-book very easy to carry around.
> 
> 
> On 19.06.2014 23:19, Dirk Craeynest wrote:
>> I noticed that "Programming in Ada 2012", the new edition of John
>> Barnes' classic book, is now available (in Europe).  Thought many
>> of you would like to know...
>> 
>> http://www.cambridge.org/be/academic/subjects/computer-science/software-engineering-and-development/programming-ada-2012?localeText=Belgium
>> 
>> Dirk
>> Dirk.Craeynest@cs.kuleuven.be (for Ada-Belgium/-Europe/SIGAda/WG9 mail)
>> 

For that price you should get the PDF free with the book

Re: New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[Randy Brukardt]

"Luke A. Guest" <laguest@archeia.com> wrote in message 
news:1580045799425385628.134656laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org...
> Per Sandberg <per.s.sandberg@bahnhof.se> wrote:
>> Got as an e-book very easy to carry around.
>>
>>
>> On 19.06.2014 23:19, Dirk Craeynest wrote:
>>> I noticed that "Programming in Ada 2012", the new edition of John
>>> Barnes' classic book, is now available (in Europe).  Thought many
>>> of you would like to know...
>>>
>>> http://www.cambridge.org/be/academic/subjects/computer-science/software-engineering-and-development/programming-ada-2012?localeText=Belgium
>>>
>>> Dirk
>>> Dirk.Craeynest@cs.kuleuven.be (for Ada-Belgium/-Europe/SIGAda/WG9 mail)
>>>
>
> For that price you should get the PDF free with the book

I think the price is mainly related to the physical size of the book. John 
gave me one of the author's copies (I forgot to have him sign it - darn) at 
our recent ARG meeting. I tried to read a bit of it in bed that night, and I 
think I cut off the circulation in my legs. :-) I didn't read it for long. I 
was worried that the airplane back to the US would be overweight because I 
was packing it. :-)

Seriously, it is VERY heavy - I don't recall many books that heavy. (I just 
picked it up again and it still feels like a pair of bricks -- I hope the 
bookshelf is strong enough to hold it. :-) Next time I read it, it will have 
to be at a desk.

                                          Randy.

Re: New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[Nasser M. Abbasi]

I have John's 2005 Ada book. I like the book, except I wish
his examples where self contained such that they include
everything needed to copy and compile them. He likes
to make the examples short and only show the point, which
is fine, but I think making each example self contained
(i.e. including the program main and any packages used) is
better as it allows one to try the example more easily.

Sure this will make the book larger since each example
will be larger now, but may be using a little smaller
font and less white space on the sides of the pages would
help.

I do not know if this changed in his 2012 book.

--Nasser

Re: New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[Nasser M. Abbasi]

On 7/2/2014 4:56 PM, Randy Brukardt wrote:

>
> Seriously, it is VERY heavy - I don't recall many books that heavy. (I just
> picked it up again and it still feels like a pair of bricks -- I hope the
> bookshelf is strong enough to hold it. :-) Next time I read it, it will have
> to be at a desk.

The 2005 version was 848 pages weight 1.4 kg. The 2012 version
is 967 pages, weight: 2.02kg. The difference in number of pages
is not linear with the difference in weight. They must have used
heavier paper in the 2012 version.

--Nasser

Re: New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[kug1977]

> The 2012 version is 967 pages, weight: 2.02kg. The difference in number of pages
> is not linear with the difference in weight. They must have used
> heavier paper in the 2012 version.

After reading this, I will go for the ebook. 
-kug1977

Re: New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[Adam Beneschan]

On Thursday, July 3, 2014 12:20:36 AM UTC-7, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
> On 7/2/2014 4:56 PM, Randy Brukardt wrote:


> The 2005 version was 848 pages weight 1.4 kg. The 2012 version
> is 967 pages, weight: 2.02kg. The difference in number of pages
> is not linear with the difference in weight. They must have used
> heavier paper in the 2012 version.

Either that, or Barnes added a lot weightier material .... :) :)

                               -- Adam

Re: New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[Randy Brukardt]

"Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> wrote in message 
news:lp308d$jrp$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 7/2/2014 4:56 PM, Randy Brukardt wrote:
>
>>
>> Seriously, it is VERY heavy - I don't recall many books that heavy. (I 
>> just
>> picked it up again and it still feels like a pair of bricks -- I hope the
>> bookshelf is strong enough to hold it. :-) Next time I read it, it will 
>> have
>> to be at a desk.
>
> The 2005 version was 848 pages weight 1.4 kg. The 2012 version
> is 967 pages, weight: 2.02kg. The difference in number of pages
> is not linear with the difference in weight. They must have used
> heavier paper in the 2012 version.

John had to change publishers, so I would guess that their specifications 
are different. Usually I would be in favor of heavier paper (it usually 
lasts longer), but not to the point of making the book heavier than 
free-weights. :-)

                                    Randy.

Re: New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

On Thu, 3 Jul 2014 14:44:53 -0500, "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
declaimed the following:

>John had to change publishers, so I would guess that their specifications 
>are different. Usually I would be in favor of heavier paper (it usually 
>lasts longer), but not to the point of making the book heavier than 
>free-weights. :-)
>
	It's apparently being priced by weight too, given the Amazon price for
the upcoming US release...
-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
    wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

Re: New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[Luke A. Guest]

>> For that price you should get the PDF free with the book
> 
> I think the price is mainly related to the physical size of the book. John 

I have compared it to the 3.3 version of the opengl super bible, the Ada
book has abot 10 less pages but is about 5mm taller, the GL book is
substantially thicker and I think I paid in the region if £30ish for it.

I would the price is high probably because they don't think it wi sell
many. The 2005 book didn't last long, don't think this will either.

They're both heavy.

Re: New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[Anh Vo]

On Sunday, July 13, 2014 5:35:52 AM UTC-7, Luke A. Guest wrote:
> >> For that price you should get the PDF free with the book
>  
> 
> > I think the price is mainly related to the physical size of the book. John 
>  
> They're both heavy.

Any valuable book like this one costs < $100.00 is worth it these days. After all, knowledge is invaluable. If PDF form is availble also, I may order both.

Anh Vo 

Re: New edition of John Barnes' classic book

[sjaniska]

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 11:56:46 PM UTC+2, Randy Brukardt wrote:
> I think the price is mainly related to the physical size of the book. John 
> 
> gave me one of the author's copies (I forgot to have him sign it - darn) at 
> 
> our recent ARG meeting. I tried to read a bit of it in bed that night, and I 
> 
> think I cut off the circulation in my legs. :-) I didn't read it for long.

I've Barnes' Ada 95 and, somehow,until now, didn't have much time to dive into it.

Now, seeing that Ada 2012 book is ready I wonder whether I should take advantage of '95 book' and then try to catch up to 2012 or to buy Ada 2012 version?

I did download preview version for my Kobo reader, but I must say that although it would cost me half of the dead-tree version, I still prefer holding book in my hands despite of potential circulation problems.

Any hint whether 2012 is significantly different to justify buying it?

It's a bit pricey (for me) and I have intention to use Ada for open-source project(s).


Sincerely,
Gour