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From: mfeldman@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Feldman)
Subject: Re: ARPA still undermining Ada
Date: 17 Oct 1994 10:35:46 -0400
Date: 1994-10-17T10:35:46-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <37u242$j9t@felix.seas.gwu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 37ib3r$314@gnat.cs.nyu.edu

In article <37ib3r$314@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>, Robert Dewar <dewar@cs.nyu.edu> wrote:
>Mark, I couldn't agree more that it would have made sense for ARPA to fund
>a GNAT-like effort earlier. I flew down to Washington a couple of times
>a few years ago (i.e. several years before the GNAT work finally started)
>to try to sell this idea, but it didn't fly. We have Chris Anderson to
>thank for finally seeing that this was an important target of opportunity.
>

Yes indeed. I was, of course, well outside all those discussions,
but to this outsider's eyes, this was an inspired and courageous move
on Chris Anderson's part. To this day, some of the Ada vendors complain
about GNAT as "unfair competition." Clearly those vendors have no clue
about what it really takes to build grass roots support for a language
and get it widely propagated.

A full-bore implementation of Ada/Ed (with some tools, maybe even
a code generator or two, and some support for ongoing maintenance)
would, IMHO, have made a big difference if it had happened, say,
around 1989 or so. 

And speaking of Arcadia/UCI, I don't think it's ever been explained
why work on their very nice Ada interpretive environment, Arcturus, was
stopped just when it seemed to be on the verge of research and
educational usefulness. I assume it was a change in direction of the
ARPA sponsors, but then one wants to ask _why_. That would have been
a dynamite system.

A similar system, ACE (Ada Compilation Environment) was done by
(I guess) Unisys (or whatever they were called at the time) as a
STARS project, also ARPA-funded, and _that_ was halted just as it was
about to be useful for similar purposes. No public statement has ever
been made on the reason for this. Is it part of the ARPA ideology
to see these projects through to the 90% point and hen cut them off?

There's a _lot_ of potentially good stuff that was allowed to wither
for lack of sustained support.

Mike Feldman
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Professor, Dept. of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
The George Washington University -  Washington, DC 20052 USA
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"Non illegitimi carborundum." (Don't let the bastards grind you down.)
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  reply	other threads:[~1994-10-17 14:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <37ab0v$n82@newsbf01.news.aol.com>
     [not found]   ` <37bph1$naq@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
1994-10-11 16:01     ` ARPA still undermining Ada Thomas Hood 913-4501
1994-10-12  9:50       ` Tarjei Jensen
1994-10-12 22:02         ` Charles Stump
1994-10-14  6:27         ` Dennis Troup
1994-10-16  7:02       ` Jason Elliot Robbins
1994-10-17 14:13       ` Michael Feldman
1994-10-18 17:53         ` Arcadia Sandy Wise
1994-10-11 17:01     ` ARPA still undermining Ada Kevin Priest~
1994-10-11 19:49       ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12  9:43         ` Tarjei Jensen
1994-10-12 13:08           ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 13:22             ` Richard Kenner
     [not found]             ` <37gnv0$j5u@cmcl2.nyu.edu>
1994-10-17 14:25               ` Michael Feldman
1994-10-17 19:09                 ` Richard Kenner
1994-10-17 19:14                 ` Jay Martin
1994-10-18  1:47                   ` John M. Mills
1994-10-18 11:19                     ` Richard Kenner
1994-10-18 17:12                     ` Kevin Cline
1994-10-18  2:10                   ` Richard Kenner
1994-10-18 16:35                   ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                   ` <Cy2BnF.G8A@usa.net>
1994-10-24  2:22                     ` Bjarne Stroustrup <9758-26353> 0112760
1994-10-27  6:50                       ` Introspect Technologies
1994-10-27 16:52                       ` Richard G. Hash
1994-10-27 17:39                       ` RMS's response to "Re: ARPA still undermining Ada" Richard Kenner
     [not found]                 ` <37ui4p$rd4@cmcl2.nyu.edu>
1994-10-18 16:25                   ` ARPA still undermining Ada Michael Feldman
1994-10-12 19:13       ` Mark C. Chu-Carroll
1994-10-13  3:55         ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-17 14:35           ` Michael Feldman [this message]
1994-10-18 16:39             ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-19  1:05               ` Michael Feldman
1994-10-13 15:42 Dennis Heimbigner
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