Best language for low IQ programmers?

Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Brian Metc]

I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low IQ due to
early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am 
pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
for me.

My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic or Eiffel.
My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn Ada because
it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.

She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was  a language going out of the
market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing for Ada.

Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.

This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows, Microsoft
stuff is always easier.

Would any one sugest the best language for me.

Brian

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Daniel Torreblanca]

    I don't see you getting into programming at all. If it's a "money
issue", don't except to make lots of money (or any for that matter). You get
a job and you get paid according to what your employer wants and needs, not
what you are capable of. As a programmer, it is almost necessary to know a
few different languages, or at least different applications of one language.
If you don't think you can do something like C or C++, stay out of the
field. Consider web design.

    I don't think C or C++ are inherently "difficult". The thing is that
they are such powerful languages and their applications are so widespread
that it may seem overwhelming at first. But once you learn one language, the
transition to others is much less tedious.

--

     Daniel

"I am so amazingly cool you could
keep a side of meat in me for a
month. I am so hip I have difficulty
seeing over my pelvis."


"Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have
low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
stuped, I am
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
>
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic
or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn
Ada because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
>
> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was  a language going
out of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing
for Ada.
>
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
>
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows,
Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.
>
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
>
> Brian

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Marc Bissonnette]

"Daniel Torreblanca" <torrebld@unbc.ca> wrote in
news:341DCBB5A5FBD411900F00034707FFB605207046@xserv.unbc.ca: 

>     I don't see you getting into programming at all. If it's a "money
> issue", don't except to make lots of money (or any for that matter).
> You get a job and you get paid according to what your employer wants
> and needs, not what you are capable of. As a programmer, it is almost
> necessary to know a few different languages, or at least different
> applications of one language. If you don't think you can do something
> like C or C++, stay out of the field. Consider web design.
> 
>     I don't think C or C++ are inherently "difficult". The thing is
>     that 
> they are such powerful languages and their applications are so
> widespread that it may seem overwhelming at first. But once you learn
> one language, the transition to others is much less tedious.

Daniel's got the right gist of this. 

You don't get into programming just because of the money. At best, if 
that's all you're in it for, you'll be a mediocre programmer and that's 
assuming you're a real bookworm to learn all the 'textbook' answers. 

A ***really good*** programmer is into it because (s)he really enjoys it. 
That's where the innovative solutions come from: Because someone enjoys the 
language they code in so much that they are specifically *not* limited 
solely to what the textbooks suggest are the answers. 

Me, I chose Perl as my primary language after 'growing up' through basic, 
Pascal, and Turbo Pascal. I chose Perl because it's all about manipulating 
data (well, they're all about that, I mean text data, primarily) and 
because it is a very logical language. The support for Perl is phenominal, 
as well, esp. in NG's like comp.lang.perl.misc, as long as you're willing 
to work for your answer (i.e. show the code you've tried to date and be 
perfectly willing to wade through a FAQ or three if your question is mind-
numbingly common).

If you're just looking for money in a career, go and get yourself an MBA 
and become a manager, somewhere :)

-- 
----------------------------

Marc Bissonnette
InternAlysis
Intelligence in Internet Communications
http://www.internalysis.com

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Marin David Condic]

It looks an awful lot like a troll to me. "Gee - let's see if we can get
folks arguing about which is the stupidest programming language by posting
to several language groups..."

If not, I'd suggest the question should be rephrased to be less inciteful.
(Something more along the lines of "What are the advantages to learning
language X if my goal is Y..." might be less apt to start a language war.)
Otherwise, we're better off ignoring it.

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com
Web:      http://www.mcondic.com/


"Daniel Torreblanca" <torrebld@unbc.ca> wrote in message
news:341DCBB5A5FBD411900F00034707FFB605207046@xserv.unbc.ca...
>
>     I don't see you getting into programming at all. If it's a "money
> issue", don't except to make lots of money (or any for that matter). You
get
> a job and you get paid according to what your employer wants and needs,
not
> what you are capable of. As a programmer, it is almost necessary to know a
> few different languages, or at least different applications of one
language.
> If you don't think you can do something like C or C++, stay out of the
> field. Consider web design.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Lou Moran]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:50:54 -0500, "Marin David Condic"
<dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org> wrote wonderful things
about sparkplugs:

SNIP
>
>If not, I'd suggest the question should be rephrased to be less inciteful.
SNIP
>
This line is priceless.  It has 100 diff't ways to go.  I applaude you
and your masterful use and wildly entertaining misspelling of
insightful.  You are a lingusitic genius.  You can't see me but I am
Golf Clapping right ... now.

:)

Disclaimer -- Any sarcasm real or imagined is not the intent of this
post.


--
TMTOWTDI: My way tends to be wrong...
lmoran@wtsg.com

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Marin David Condic]

Wish I could claim to be that clever. Mostly, I was just typing fast and
inventing words as I went along. Probably should have said something like
"less likely to incite argument..." or similar.

But with 20/20 hindsight, it does look rather clever. :-)

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com
Web:      http://www.mcondic.com/


"Lou Moran" <lmoran@wtsg.com> wrote in message
news:plcgutonok9r5hhdn2n69rkqe1g6p6icmc@4ax.com...
> This line is priceless.  It has 100 diff't ways to go.  I applaude you
> and your masterful use and wildly entertaining misspelling of
> insightful.  You are a lingusitic genius.  You can't see me but I am
> Golf Clapping right ... now.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Ken Stauffer]

> "Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
> > I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have
> low IQ due to
> > early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
> stuped, I am
> > pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what
I
> > mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> > issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> > for me.
> >

C++ is the best choice for dull programmers. The quality of your code will
be indistinguishable from that of a the C++ guru.


Ken Stauffer
"If C++ is a serious object oriented language then Eiffel isn't -- an visa
versa"

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Gregory Toomey]

"Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have
low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
stuped, I am
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.

Any Microsoft language is suitable -VB in particular is perfect for managers
and stoopid people.

Here at comp.lang.perl.misc we deal with regular expression backtracking,
polymorphism, & closures as objects - too advanced for someone like you.

gtoomey

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[IsraelRT]

>"Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
>> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have
>low IQ due to
>> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
>stuped, I am
>> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
>> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
>> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
>> for me.

Go away troll...
Go to MS land and use their brain damaged designed for trolls
language..

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Marshall Spight]

"Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
>
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.


Is this some kind of joke?


Marshall

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[no]

Frances Klein wrote:
> 
> Java?  I love to drink java at the end of a good meal.  Can anyone recommend
> a nice kosher restaurant in the southern half of Manhattan, full of
> atmosphere and lots of choices beyond the usual?

KATZ's

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Greg Comeau]

In article <3BF4AA25.A72DC4BB@nyc.rr.com>, no  <pulse@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>Frances Klein wrote:
>> Java?  I love to drink java at the end of a good meal.  Can anyone recommend
>> a nice kosher restaurant in the southern half of Manhattan, full of
>> atmosphere and lots of choices beyond the usual?
>
>KATZ's

2nd Avenue Deli, at 10th St I think.  Once upon a time a bunch
of C++ geeks used to go and eat there, perhaps they still do at times
(see http://www.cppsig.org).
-- 
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Comeau C/C++ ONLINE ==>     http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout
World Class Compilers:  Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90.
Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[arnet]

In comp.lang.java.programmer Brian Metc <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote:
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am 
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.

This sounds a *lot* like a troll to me.  The proper use of "amongst" seems
to favor the troll theory, despite the amusing misspellings.  But maybe
I'm being unfair.

Anyway, all computer languages are the same conceptually.  One either
"gets" the concept of giving a machine a list of instructions to follow,
or one doesn't.  So I'd recommend you try whichever language requires
the least investment and see if you "get it".  Java is free.  So are
many others.  Pick any of them, and see if you "get it".  You'll know. 
I do have to admit that I've met few stupid programmers, but I have met
many intelligent folks who don't "get" programming.  Nothing wrong with
it.  I don't consider myself stupid, but I am unable to walk into a
room and figure out which person is most likely to buy something from
me.  I've met folks in marketing to whom this is so obvious they have
a hard time explaining how.  And they get paid more than me!  ;-)

--arne

DISCLAIMER:  These opinions and statements are those of the author and
do not represent any views or positions of the Hewlett-Packard Co.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Jeff Connelly]

<arnet@hpcvplnx.cv.hp.com> wrote in message
news:9s6tbl$ga2$1@hpcvnews.cv.hp.com...
> In comp.lang.java.programmer Brian Metc <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote:
> > I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have
low IQ due to
> > early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
stuped, I am
> > pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems.

> This sounds a *lot* like a troll to me.  The proper use of "amongst" seems
> to favor the troll theory, despite the amusing misspellings.  But maybe
> I'm being unfair.

I thought the spelling of "stuped" was rather unrefined - a bit heavy-handed,
wouldn't you say?  "learning deprivation"?  "TV overdose"?

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Logan Shaw]

In article <9s6tbl$ga2$1@hpcvnews.cv.hp.com>,
 <arnet@hpcvplnx.cv.hp.com> wrote:
>Anyway, all computer languages are the same conceptually.  One either
>"gets" the concept of giving a machine a list of instructions to follow,
>or one doesn't.

I don't know that I quite agree with that.  Prolog isn't the same
conceptually as assembly language.  Neither is a pure functional
programming language.  Or maybe it is true if you think of Prolog
as having an implicit "tell me whether this is true" instruction
and pure functional languages as having an implicit "tell me the
value of this" instruction.  But that's kind of a stretch.

Anyway, if the original poster is looking for a programming language
for stupid people, they should check out http://www.cobolscript.com/ .

  - Logan
-- 
"In order to be prepared to hope in what does not deceive,
 we must first lose hope in everything that deceives."

                                          Georges Bernanos

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Mario Grgic]

"Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have
low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
stuped, I am
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
>
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic
or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn
Ada because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
>
> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was  a language going
out of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing
for Ada.
>
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
>
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows,
Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.
>
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
>
> Brian
>

I say, wait till someone writes a cross platform compiler for English. Then
you'll have a chance.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[James Taylor]

In article <3be6fcf8$1@news.sentex.net>, Mario Grgic wrote:
> 
> I say, wait till someone writes a cross platform compiler
> for English. Then you'll have a chance.

I'm not so sure. Did you notice his use of English?
Hardly a sentence without a spelling error!
There's unlikely ever to be a compiler capable
of coping with that.

-- 
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Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Christian Menke]

> > I say, wait till someone writes a cross platform compiler
> > for English. Then you'll have a chance.
>
> I'm not so sure. Did you notice his use of English?
> Hardly a sentence without a spelling error!
> There's unlikely ever to be a compiler capable
> of coping with that.

If a human brain can cope with it, it must be possible to write a compiler
capable of doing it too.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Ilya Sterin]

"Christian Menke" <C.Menke@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:9vdb7r$5jf$01$1@news.t-online.com...
> > > I say, wait till someone writes a cross platform compiler
> > > for English. Then you'll have a chance.
> >
> > I'm not so sure. Did you notice his use of English?
> > Hardly a sentence without a spelling error!
> > There's unlikely ever to be a compiler capable
> > of coping with that.
>
> If a human brain can cope with it, it must be possible to write a compiler
> capable of doing it too.

Can we also write a compiler with feelings.  Like the one which will know
not to piss off the developers on a certain day, when they are not in the
mood.



>
>
>

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Wes Groleau]

Ilya Sterin wrote:
> 
> Can we also write a compiler with feelings.  Like the one which will know
> not to piss off the developers on a certain day, when they are not in the
> mood.

So we'll have strong typing, weak typing, and
variable typing, and all from the same tool.

-- 
Wes Groleau
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Mark Lundquist]

"Wes Groleau" <wwgrol@sparc01.ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> wrote in message
news:3C1A562C.4997F3@sparc01.ftw.rsc.raytheon.com...
>
>
> Ilya Sterin wrote:
> >
> > Can we also write a compiler with feelings.  Like the one which will
know
> > not to piss off the developers on a certain day, when they are not in
the
> > mood.
>
> So we'll have strong typing, weak typing, and
> variable typing, and all from the same tool.

You mean it would weaken the type system for me on days when I felt like
being p*ssed off? :-)

I'd settle for error messages that displayed a little more emotional
intelligence.

Sometimes, it might be fun for the compiler to say, "Nice going, ace!  Can't
assign to a constant" or "Come on, bonehead..." etc.  But sometimes you're
more in the mood for, "Sorry to be the one to tell you, but I'm afraid this
is still an illegal use of a type before it is completely defined."

:-) mark

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[James Rogers]

Wes Groleau wrote:
> 
> Ilya Sterin wrote:
> >
> > Can we also write a compiler with feelings.  Like the one which will know
> > not to piss off the developers on a certain day, when they are not in the
> > mood.
> 
> So we'll have strong typing, weak typing, and
> variable typing, and all from the same tool.
> 

I want to avoid the language with PMS typing.

Jim Rogers
Colorado Springs, Colorado USA

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Darren New]

James Rogers wrote:
> I want to avoid the language with PMS typing.

Sorry. The compiler's being a bit cholicy today.

-- 
Darren New 
San Diego, CA, USA (PST). Cryptokeys on demand.
   You will soon read a generic fortune cookie.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[James Rogers]

Christian Menke wrote:
> 
> > > I say, wait till someone writes a cross platform compiler
> > > for English. Then you'll have a chance.
> >
> > I'm not so sure. Did you notice his use of English?
> > Hardly a sentence without a spelling error!
> > There's unlikely ever to be a compiler capable
> > of coping with that.
> 
> If a human brain can cope with it, it must be possible to write a compiler
> capable of doing it too.

But the point is that English is too imprecise for computers, just as
it is for humans. How could we disagree about the meaning of various
English statements if the language were adequately precise?

For a simple example, how many interpretations are there for the
English version of the Bible? I do not mean how many interpretations
into English. I mean how many people, upon reading the SAME
translation, will understand it to mean exactly the same thing?

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Marshall Spight]

"Christian Menke" <C.Menke@t-online.de> wrote in message news:9vdb7r$5jf$01$1@news.t-online.com...
> > > I say, wait till someone writes a cross platform compiler
> > > for English. Then you'll have a chance.
> >
> > I'm not so sure. Did you notice his use of English?
> > Hardly a sentence without a spelling error!
> > There's unlikely ever to be a compiler capable
> > of coping with that.
>
> If a human brain can cope with it, it must be possible to write a compiler
> capable of doing it too.

Theoretically possible, yes, but not necessarily practially possible
with today's software and hardware technology.


Marshall

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Dmitry A. Kazakov]

On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:58:48 +0100, "Christian Menke"
<C.Menke@t-online.de> wrote:

>> > I say, wait till someone writes a cross platform compiler
>> > for English. Then you'll have a chance.
>>
>> I'm not so sure. Did you notice his use of English?
>> Hardly a sentence without a spelling error!
>> There's unlikely ever to be a compiler capable
>> of coping with that.
>
>If a human brain can cope with it, it must be possible to write a compiler
>capable of doing it too.

[+ OT ]

If human brain [or whatsoever makes us thinking] is discrete, finite
and deterministic ...

[- OT ]

Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Georg Bauhaus]

In comp.lang.ada Christian Menke <C.Menke@t-online.de> wrote:
: 
: If a human brain can cope with it, it must be possible to write a compiler
: capable of doing it too.

Hm, out of curiousity, wouldn't that imply it will be possible to
write a compiler that not only handles Turing machines' input,
but also understands the Making Of the Turing machines' invention?
<hsy>Could someone ask in the equivalence class of God, please?</hsy>

Georg

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Josef Möllers]

Georg Bauhaus wrote:
> 
> In comp.lang.ada Christian Menke <C.Menke@t-online.de> wrote:
> :
> : If a human brain can cope with it, it must be possible to write a compiler
> : capable of doing it too.
> 
> Hm, out of curiousity, wouldn't that imply it will be possible to
> write a compiler that not only handles Turing machines' input,
> but also understands the Making Of the Turing machines' invention?
> <hsy>Could someone ask in the equivalence class of God, please?</hsy>

IIRC the abovementioned statement is some well-known theorem of
theoretical computer science (Church's thesis).

-- 
Josef Möllers (Pinguinpfleger bei FSC)
	If failure had no penalty success would not be a prize
						-- T.  Pratchett

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Darren New]

Josef Möllers wrote:
> IIRC the abovementioned statement is some well-known theorem of
> theoretical computer science (Church's thesis).

IIRC, it's merely a thesis, not a theorem. I.e., it's an unproven
assumption. The assumption, that is, that everything computable is
computable by a turing machine.

-- 
Darren New 
San Diego, CA, USA (PST). Cryptokeys on demand.
               "This wine goes good with feet."

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Georg Bauhaus]

In comp.lang.ada Josef M?llers <josef.moellers@fujitsu-siemens.com> wrote:
 
: IIRC the abovementioned statement is some well-known theorem of
: theoretical computer science (Church's thesis).

Yes, but is the finding of the thesis computable by
a Turing machine? Or is the thesis computable?

(O.K., enough junk)
Georg

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Lyndon]

"Christian Menke" <C.Menke@t-online.de> wrote in
news:9vdb7r$5jf$01$1@news.t-online.com: 

>> > I say, wait till someone writes a cross platform compiler for
>> > English. Then you'll have a chance. 
>>
>> I'm not so sure. Did you notice his use of English?
>> Hardly a sentence without a spelling error!
>> There's unlikely ever to be a compiler capable of coping with that.
> 
> If a human brain can cope with it, it must be possible to write a
> compiler capable of doing it too.
> 
> 
> 

So you are saying the human brain is Turing machine complete :-) What if 
the brain's processing abilities are greater than a Turing machine?

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Mark Henri]

Visual Basic-- extremely powerful yet anyone can get an app up and running.
Plus you get to use loads of ActiveX controls that do everything for you.

PowerBuilder is another good one.  Visual FoxPro?

Lyndon wrote in message <1o9V7.97944$li3.1014592@ozemail.com.au>...
>"Christian Menke" <C.Menke@t-online.de> wrote in
>news:9vdb7r$5jf$01$1@news.t-online.com:
>
>>> > I say, wait till someone writes a cross platform compiler for
>>> > English. Then you'll have a chance.
>>>
>>> I'm not so sure. Did you notice his use of English?
>>> Hardly a sentence without a spelling error!
>>> There's unlikely ever to be a compiler capable of coping with that.
>>
>> If a human brain can cope with it, it must be possible to write a
>> compiler capable of doing it too.
>>
>>
>>
>
>So you are saying the human brain is Turing machine complete :-) What if
>the brain's processing abilities are greater than a Turing machine?
>
>

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Bruce Lewis]

BrianMetc@aol.com (Brian Metc) writes:

> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I
> have low IQ due to early childhool learning deprivation and TV
> overdose.

Sounds like programming is not for you.  You should find other ways to
amuse yourself.  For example, it might be fun to crosspost an incendiary
message to various programming language newsgroups, sit back, and watch
the mindless language war that ensues.  In fact, that way you're likely
to encounter other low-IQ folks who are into programming.

Oh, wait.  You've already done that.  Never mind.


P.S. What's this "nyc.food" programming language?  I've never heard of
it.

-- 
Bruce R. Lewis  <brlewis@[(if (brl-related? message)
                              "users.sourceforge.net"
                              "alum.mit.edu")]>  http://brl.sourceforge.net/

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Tim Hammerquist]

Brian Metc <BrianMetc@aol.com> graced us by uttering:
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I
> have low IQ due to early childhool learning deprivation and TV
> overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am pretty good amongst my
> friends, but not solving problems. You know what I mean. Anyways, I
> want to go into computor programing because of money issue. I now need
> to choose languege for programming, simple enough for me.

"learning deprivation"?  You were deprived of learning?

> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual
> Basic or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I
> learn Ada because it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.

Heh.  "Fool proof."  Now _that's_ funny in any language.

[ snipped standard issue troll bait re. Ada & Eiffel ]

> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on
> hype.

A bold statement for any but a troll, no matter how much I might agree.

> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under
> Windows, Microsoft stuff is always easier.

Nice.  You'll go far.  (Too bad it's just a troll.)

> Would any one sugest the best language for me.

i8088 assembly language is definitely the most efficient, easiest
language someone of your calibre intellect could learn.

Ya know, the spelling errors are fun to watch, but the fact that the 
OP used "perl" instead of "PERL" means he can't be all that dumb.

Tim Hammerquist
-- 
Don't hit the keys so hard, it hurts.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Alain D]

Brian, te me you sound like the Duc in "The big Lebowski" movie. In the
english version, he was called dude I think(I'm french speaking).

So what I mean is at first glance you look very stupid but, next, maybe, you
could be as clever as the person in this movie. (watch it if you did'nt yet
and you'll see what I mean).

You are very lazy so you want to use your brain to work as less as possible.
Am I right ?

Then Eiffel is the right tool for you. The more you use the power of it, the
less you work.

Unfortunately, it will take you a period of 3 or 4 years to handle the
object philosophy starting with the basis of programming (unless you have
160 of IQ).

Unfortunatelly, only few companies are working with Eiffel, so for the
money, maybe you rather making movies !

Alain

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Jeff Connelly]

"Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low
IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
stuped, I am
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
>
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic
or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn Ada
because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
>
> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was  a language going out
of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing
for Ada.
>
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
>
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows,
Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.

Wow what a troll.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Marin David Condic]

Actually, a *good* troll would have sucked hundreds of angry, incensed
replies out of the net by now and nobody would have seen it coming. A "good"
troll wouldn't look so obviously like a troll - or been so irresistable that
even as an obvious troll it would *still* inflame and incense the masses.

I am reminded of the chain-email begging for money for a boy who was just a
head with a burlap bag stuffed with leaves for a body. Except this one
doesn't even have humor working for it.

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com
Web:      http://www.mcondic.com/


"Jeff Connelly" <jconnelly@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:WCDF7.52445$Z2.796473@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>
> Wow what a troll.
>
>

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[nofreejack]

"Jeff Connelly" <jconnelly@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:WCDF7.52445$Z2.796473@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> "Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
> > I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have
low
> IQ due to
> > early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
> stuped, I am
> > pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what
I
> > mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> > issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> > for me.
> >
> > My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual
Basic
> or Eiffel.
> > My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn
Ada
> because
> > it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
> >
> > She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was  a language going
out
> of the
> > market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same
thing
> for Ada.
> >
> > Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on
hype.
> >
> > This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under
Windows,
> Microsoft
> > stuff is always easier.
do you smoke the weed the taliban grows? Micro$hite is useless, Im using VB
for the simple fact I ws brought Up on Risc Basic and I figure it uses the
same stone age methodology. Im not saying VB is crap, in fact its rather
nice, but its expensive and can mess ur pc, like it did mine when i first
started...

A tip from me, never try to open a system file with:
Open ("C:\windows\ [some dll]") for output as #1
print #1, "If the program works you will see this writing"
Close #1

But, if you can make a program that can load and crash less than 10 times in
a week, then Bill Gates will be out of a job. I suggest this little code
snippet

Private Sub Form_Load()
Msgbox "So far, so good, doesnt seem to crash...oh wait...windows is
loadin......",vbinformation,"Hmmm"
End
End Sub

> Wow what a troll.
>
>

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Charles Krug]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:54:36 -0600, Brian Metc <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
> 
> Brian
> 

I think Phoenitic Polynesian has the simplest spelling and syntax, though the
expressiveness of the language is belied by its simplicity.

Make sure you learn Standard.  Don't get sucked into any particular vendor's
specialized version.  The famous M version (Margaret Meade) had some
oversights in the earlier versions that have since been corrected.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Richard Heathfield]

Brian Metc wrote:
> 
<snip>
> 
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.

APL.

-- 
Richard Heathfield : binary@eton.powernet.co.uk
"Usenet is a strange place." - Dennis M Ritchie, 29 July 1999.
C FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html
K&R answers, C books, etc: http://users.powernet.co.uk/eton

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Thaddeus L Olczyk]

On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:09:21 +0000, Richard Heathfield
<binary@eton.powernet.co.uk> wrote:

>Brian Metc wrote:
>> 
><snip>
>> 
>> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
>
>APL.

I was thinking of CL with meta object protocol.
In fact I think he should start with The Art of The
Metaobject Protocol.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[IsraelRT]

On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:09:21 +0000, Richard Heathfield
<binary@eton.powernet.co.uk> wrote:

>Brian Metc wrote:
>> 
><snip>
>> 
>> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
>
>APL.

ATL: A Trolling Language

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Patrick Doyle]

In article <1004990076967295@aol.com>, Brian Metc <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
>issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
>for me.

You may want to begin with the TROLL programming language:

  http://www.intex.com/troll/program.html

Once you have mastered that, you could get a job with Trolltech
or Troll Touch Touchscreens:

  http://www.trolltech.com/
  http://www.trolltouch.com/

-- 
--
Patrick Doyle
doylep@eecg.toronto.edu

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Thaddeus L Olczyk]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:37:03 GMT, doylep@eecg.toronto.edu (Patrick
Doyle) wrote:

>In article <1004990076967295@aol.com>, Brian Metc <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
>>issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
>>for me.
>
>You may want to begin with the TROLL programming language:
>
>  http://www.intex.com/troll/program.html
>
Can't be a very good language there's no download page for me to get
the interpreter/compiler/whatever. There's also no emacs mode for it.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Thaddeus L Olczyk]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:54:36 -0600, BrianMetc@aol.com (Brian Metc)
wrote:

>My problem is that I have low IQ due to
>early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose.
Well considering the fact that you haven't posted to Usenet
before ( according to google ), your IQ can't be that badly fried.
While many of the jobs that require programming do require
a high IQ I've met many a programmer whose low IQ does not
deter them.
Good luck.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[TheStonge]

Try Assembly Language :-D

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Adrian Hoe]

BrianMetc@aol.com (Brian Metc) wrote in message news:<1004990076967295@aol.com>...
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am 
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
> 
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn Ada because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
> 
> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was  a language going out of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing for Ada.
> 
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
> 
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows, Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.
> 
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
> 
> Brian


Brian,

No one is stupid in this world! It is only stupid if you think you
are. Learn Ada and you will never regret it. It is not difficult to
learn but only time that's matter.

I have many colleagues in my work place have not even got into
college. But their interest in computer and perseverence make them
software engineer today. They use Ada in their daily programming
chores.

Get a book teaching Ada for a start and you will find Ada is very
different from others.

Go ahead. You can make it!

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Thaddeus L Olczyk]

On 5 Nov 2001 16:46:00 -0800, byhoe@greenlime.com (Adrian Hoe) wrote:

>No one is stupid in this world! 
Yeah there are. Those who take the original post seriously to name a
few.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Tim Hammerquist]

Brian Metc <BrianMetc@aol.com> graced us by uttering:
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.

If you want to learn a language that solves any problem that today's
world can throw at you, look at COBOL.  There's not a language out there
that is as widely used as COBOL.  Not only does it offer "classic"
programming experience to the user, but it offers more methods of
reinventing the wheel than any other programming language!

-- 
How dare the government intervene to stifle innovation in the computer
industry! That's Microsoft's job, dammit!

Re: Best language for low self-esteem programmers?

[Dan Hinojosa]

It's not the IQ, but the persistence that makes a programmer.



Brian Metc wrote:

> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am 
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
> 
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn Ada because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
> 
> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was  a language going out of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing for Ada.
> 
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
> 
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows, Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.
> 
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
> 
> Brian
> 
> 

Re: Best language for low self-esteem programmers?

[Clinton A. Pierce]

[Groups and Followups trimmed.  I hope.]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2001 01:11:27 -0700, Dan Hinojosa <dhinojosa@qwest.net>
wrote:
>It's not the IQ, but the persistence that makes a programmer.
>

As I pointed out before in:


http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=s0dy5.1995%24hD4.575937%40news1.rdc1.mi.home.com

There are some programmers that should just quit.  No slight to the
original poster, but if he's not a clear thinker or gets into it and
has nothing but problems...all of the persistance in the world
wouldn't make him a good programmer or even an adaquate one.

Which isn't to say "don't try."  That'd be nonsense and stupid.  You
could be a savant.  This might be "your thing."  Try it.  But if it
doesn't work out, PLEASE try a related field instead.
-- 
    Clinton A. Pierce              Teach Yourself Perl in 24 Hours  *and*
  clintp@geeksalad.org         Perl Developer's Dictionary 
"If you rush a Miracle Man,     for details, see http://geeksalad.org
        you get rotten Miracles." --Miracle Max, The Princess Bride

Re: Best language for low self-esteem programmers?

[Eircom News]

> It's not the IQ, but the persistence that makes a programmer.

Could be true. At least I 've seen a couple of examples :)

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Kenny Chaffin]

In article <1004990076967295@aol.com>, BrianMetc@aol.com says...
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am 
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
> 
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn Ada because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
> 
> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was  a language going out of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing for Ada.
> 
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
> 
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows, Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.
> 
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
> 
> Brian
> 


IQ is inherent, like personality. It has nothing to do with 
learning/deprivation/TV.

KAC
-- 
Kenny A. Chaffin
KAC Website Design - http://www.kacweb.com
Custom/Contract Programming, Graphics, Design
Poetry Page: http://www.kacweb.com/poems/

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[karsten v.]

Kenny Chaffin wrote:

> In article <1004990076967295@aol.com>, BrianMetc@aol.com says...
> 
>>I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low IQ due to
>>early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am 
>>pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
>>mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
>>issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
>>for me.


why bother being a programmer ? you can apply as a manager ! :)

regards,

karsten

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Tim Hammerquist]

Kenny Chaffin <kenny@kacweb.com> graced us by uttering:
> IQ is inherent, like personality. It has nothing to do with 
> learning/deprivation/TV.

If the OP only knew what the people in this thread would _actually_
spend their time arguing about...

Tim Hammerquist
-- 
Never sleep with a woman whose troubles are worse than your own.
    -- Nelson Algren

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[IsraelRT]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 05:37:53 -0700, Kenny Chaffin <kenny@kacweb.com>
wrote:
>IQ is inherent, like personality. It has nothing to do with 
>learning/deprivation/TV.

How about oxygen deprivation :-)

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[peter]

for you, i suggest logo for a few years then move onto basic :)

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Doug]

In article <1004990076967295@aol.com>, Brian Metc <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote:
>I would like to get into the programing field. ...

Troll

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Gary Labowitz]

"Doug" <dougs@halcyon.com> wrote in message news:9s92h4$2c5$1@halcyon.com...
> In article <1004990076967295@aol.com>, Brian Metc <BrianMetc@aol.com>
wrote:
> >I would like to get into the programing field. ...
>
> Troll
>
Yes. And only best language is English.
Use it to write specs. Then hire someone to program them.
Gary

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[James Khan]

Brian, the best bet is to learn "Japanese Language" and make a lot of money
there. It is fun as well for people with low ICQ. Belive me it is true.

James

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[arnet]

In comp.lang.java.programmer James Khan <akhan@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
> Brian, the best bet is to learn "Japanese Language" and make a lot of money
> there. It is fun as well for people with low ICQ. Belive me it is true.

A honto?

> James

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Scott Peshak]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:00:54 -0700, "James Khan" <akhan@ucalgary.ca>
wrote:

>Brian, the best bet is to learn "Japanese Language" and make a lot of money
>there. It is fun as well for people with low ICQ. Belive me it is true.
>
>James
>
Low ICQ huh?


Scott Peshak
If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Ulrich Windl]

Just try to understand some example code (let someone explain it to
you). If you don't understand any of the code, either find some new
friends, or give up the idea of programming. As one of my professors
said, once you managed to learn one language and the concepts, you
shouldn'd have trouble to learn any language in two weeks. Actually I
learned the basics of Perl in one weekend, any I actually can write
ugly Perl code ;-)

Ulrich

BrianMetc@aol.com (Brian Metc) writes:

> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am 
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
> 
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn Ada because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
> 
> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was  a language going out of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing for Ada.
> 
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
> 
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows, Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.
> 
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
> 
> Brian

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[dmason]

...I can't believe how many people actually took this seriously....


BrianMetc@aol.com (Brian Metc) wrote in message news:<1004990076967295@aol.com>...
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am 
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
> 
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn Ada because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
> 
> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was  a language going out of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing for Ada.
> 
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
> 
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows, Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.
> 
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
> 
> Brian

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Ken Stauffer]

"dmason" <dylmason@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bb69ecbe.0111071427.35ba38c8@posting.google.com...
> ...I can't believe how many people actually took this seriously....
>
>

Some people took communism seriously, too. Don't be so suprised.

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Marin David Condic]

Wasn't that the joke told by Karl Marx? The funniest of The Marx Brothers?
:-)

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com
Web:      http://www.mcondic.com/


"Ken Stauffer" <kjs@stauffercom.com> wrote in message
news:9sd6ga$voa$1@slb4.atl.mindspring.net...
>
> Some people took communism seriously, too. Don't be so suprised.
>
>
>
>

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[nofreejack]

"Brian Metc" <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1004990076967295@aol.com...
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have
low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am
stuped, I am
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
>
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic
or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn
Ada because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
>
> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was  a language going
out of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing
for Ada.
>
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
>
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows,
Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.
>
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
>
> Brian
>
Hi, I would suggest VB
For me it was really useful. Draw a control, double click it to bring up the
sub for a click event and make it do something sexy. And even better than
that, everything you do is prompted with some sort of drop down or tooltip,
like if you type form1. it gives you a list of all the things you can do, so
if your not sure how to make a window show, it stumped me once upon a
time... you would type form1. (or whatecer the name of the form was!) [drop
down list] [select "Show"]

Simple, they chuck in a load of samples that you can call your own. Trouble
is Biblio doesnt work!

Trust Microsoft to do a mini windoze called biblio :P

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[nospam]

Learn COBOL.  You won't have to worry about any GUI and
the language is more English like.


In comp.lang.perl.misc Brian Metc <BrianMetc@aol.com> wrote:
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am 
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.

> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn Ada because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.

> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was  a language going out of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing for Ada.

> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.

> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows, Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.

> Would any one sugest the best language for me.

> Brian

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Kirsten Bayes]

BrianMetc@aol.com (Brian Metc) wrote in message news:<1004990076967295@aol.com>...
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am 
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
> 
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn Ada because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
> 
> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was  a language going out of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing for Ada.
> 
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
> 
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows, Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.
> 
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
> 
> Brian

Dear Brian

If marketability is what you want, it's often good to go with the
scripting languages of popular systems. So, for UNIX that's C/C++ and
Perl, for Windows its Visual Basic & VBScript, for web apps its Java &
Javascript.

New languages grow from the established base, so up and coming
languages like PHP or Python owe alot to Perl, for example. Start with
what's out there, before moving onto languages which are out-there.

I'd let your prejudices guide you. Larry Wall, the Perl guy, often
jokes that impatience, laziness and hubris are the essential
characteristics of a good programmer. Lots of people like Microsoft,
many others think Windows is bad enough without writing more of it. A
day without Java is a day without Sun, and that's fine for many
people.

In the end, it's not the language or the platform that matters, but
the person. And, hey, you matter, Brian.

Best wishes
Kirsten

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Andrzej Jan Taramina]

> BrianMetc@aol.com (Brian Metc) wrote in message news:<1004990076967295@aol.com>...
> > I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low IQ due to
> > early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am 
> > pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> > mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> > issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> > for me.

> > Would any one sugest the best language for me.

English.  If this is a "genuine" question, I think you need to rethink
whether programming is the best avenue for you to pursue.  A career in
QA/Testing might be more in tune with your abilities rather than
programming.

Oh...and turn the TV off and get some books out instead.


Andrzej Jan Taramina

Chaeron Consulting Corp
Enterprise System Solutions
http://www.chaeron.com

NOTE: Remove Spamicide(tm) before replying!!!

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Gregor]

As a  professional web developer, I would have to say LOGO is the wave
of the future. LOGO is an unappreciated language and easy to learn!
It's so fun to watch the turtle running around my Atari Mega ST4's
screen!  A few easy commands and you're ready to go.
Avoid at all costs C++, Java, Visual Basic, JavaScript/VBscript, and
PERL. These languages are the tools of the US military/industrial
complex  that controls the W3 and are only truly understood by
operatives of the CIA, NSA and FBI.
Also, do not code any web pages beyond the HTML 2.0 spec since there
are serious security issues involved in later implementations of the
DTD.

Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[IsraelRT]

On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:34:20 -0500, Gregor <gg@gg.net> wrote:

>As a  professional web developer, I would have to say LOGO is the wave
>of the future. LOGO is an unappreciated language and easy to learn!
>It's so fun to watch the turtle running around my Atari Mega ST4's
>screen!  A few easy commands and you're ready to go.
>Avoid at all costs C++, Java, Visual Basic, JavaScript/VBscript, and
>PERL. These languages are the tools of the US military/industrial
>complex  that controls the W3 and are only truly understood by
>operatives of the CIA, NSA and FBI.

Intercal is the True Way.
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/intercal/

The only programming language with the COME FROM , if you write your
programs in Intercal you can be forever sure that you as the
programmer will have absolute job security...

Alternatively, for the truly inspired, there are Threaded Intercal
("All communication between threads is done by turning on and off
lines of the shared code base." ) and Unlambda ***
http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~malcolmr/threaded_intercal.html
http://www.eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/madore/programs/unlambda/

**" The effect of reading an Unlambda program is like habing
your brains smashed out by a Lisp sexp wrapped around an ENIAC.  You
won't find anything like it west of Alpha Centauri.
The Hitch-Hacker's Guide to Programming"

"the following Unlambda program
calculates and prints the Fibonacci numbers (as lines of
asterisks)

```s``s``sii`ki
  `k.*``s``s`ks
 ``s`k`s`ks``s``s`ks``s`k`s`kr``s`k`sikk
  `k``s`ksk

"

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[J French]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:58:43 +1100, IsraelRT
<israelrt@optushome.com.au> wrote:

<snip>

Looks a bit like APL to me !

>**" The effect of reading an Unlambda program is like habing
>your brains smashed out by a Lisp sexp wrapped around an ENIAC.  You
>won't find anything like it west of Alpha Centauri.
>The Hitch-Hacker's Guide to Programming"
>
>"the following Unlambda program
>calculates and prints the Fibonacci numbers (as lines of
>asterisks)
>
>```s``s``sii`ki
>  `k.*``s``s`ks
> ``s`k`s`ks``s``s`ks``s`k`s`kr``s`k`sikk
>  `k``s`ksk
>
>"
>

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[no]

TRIM NYC.FOOD PLEASE!!!!!!

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[Mark Jason Dominus]

In article <mequvt8kgg8tl7mvr39jkfptcvbb7uk23n@4ax.com>,
IsraelRT  <israelrt@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>**" The effect of reading an Unlambda program is like habing
>your brains smashed out by a Lisp sexp wrapped around an ENIAC.  You
>won't find anything like it west of Alpha Centauri.
>The Hitch-Hacker's Guide to Programming"
>
>"the following Unlambda program
>calculates and prints the Fibonacci numbers (as lines of
>asterisks)
>
>```s``s``sii`ki
>  `k.*``s``s`ks
> ``s`k`s`ks``s``s`ks``s`k`s`kr``s`k`sikk
>  `k``s`ksk
>
>"


This may entertain you.  It's an implementation of an unlambda-like
language, as a Perl regex.  (I left out the c operator, big surprise.)

The string in $_ is the program.

require 5.00553;
use re 'eval';
$|=1;
$z = qr{(?{local$d=1})
        (?:`(?{$d++})
          |.(?{$d--})
        )+?
        (?(?{$d})(?!))
       }x;
$_="``As`SB``Ad``S``BS`BBI``Ae``B`SI`Ed``A?``C``CIi`pI``E?Z``BZZZZZ`KI
```CX`KIZZQZZZQZZZZZQZZZZQZ``BZZ```CX`KX`KXQ``Ee``EeZZZZZQZ```CX`KIZZQ
```CX`KIZZQZZZZQ```CXZ`KIZZQ``Ee```CX`KIZZQ``EdZZZQZ``BZZ```CX`KX`KXQ`
`BZ```CX`KIZZ`KXZQ``Ee```CX`KIZZQ``EdZZZQ``BZZZZ`KXQZ``BZZ```CX`KX`KXQ
``B```CXZ`KIZZ`KXQ``Ee``EeZZZZZQ``B``EeZZZ`KXQ``Ee``EdZZZQ``Ee```CX`KI
ZZQ``EdZZZQ``Ed``Ee```CX`KX`KI";
s/\n//g;s/Q/`KI``E?/g;s/X/IZZZ/g;s/Z/``Es/g;
1 while
  s{`I($z)          (?{$q=0})|``K($z)($z)                    (?{$q=1})
   |```S($z)($z)($z)(?{$q=2})|```B($z)($z)($z)               (?{$q=3})
   |```C($z)($z)($z)(?{$q=4})|``A($z)($z)                    (?{$q=5})
   |`i($z)     (?{$R++,$q=6})|`p($z)(?{print(chr 120-$R), $R=0, $q=7})
   |`E($z)          (?{$q=8})|`V($z)                         (?{$q=9})
   }
   {local $^W; 
   $q<5 ?($1,$2,"``$4$6`$5$6","`$7`$8$9","``$10$12$11")[$q]
   :$q==5?($bind{$13}=$14,"")
   :($15,"",$bind{$17},"")[$q-6]
    }ex;


__END__

Hope this helps.

Have a Turner combinatorial calulus day.

-- 
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@p{"r$p","u$p"}=(P,P);pipe"r$p","u$p";++$p;($q*=2)+=$f=!fork;map{$P=$P[$f^ord
($p{$_})&6];$p{$_}=/ ^$P/ix?$P:close$_}keys%p}p;p;p;p;p;map{$p{$_}=~/^[P.]/&&
close$_}%p;wait until$?;map{/^r/&&<$_>}%p;$_=$d[$q];sleep rand(2)if/\S/;print

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[no]

TRIM NYC. FOOD PLEASE

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[Mark Lundquist]

I've been thinking of designing my own bizzare language.  This language will
be based on two important concepts of modern programming languages: objects,
and exceptions.

My language will unify these two great concepts, the object and the
exception, into a single construct called an "objection".

All program logic will be encapsulated in objection handlers.  Objections
can be either "sustained" or "overruled".  The entry point for all programs
is the raising of an objection.

The new language will facilitate a new programming paradigm, which I call
"programming by objection".

Have a nice day.
-- mark

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[Marshall Spight]

"Mark Lundquist" <up.yerz@nospam.com> wrote in message news:kGRN7.5590$726.2937336@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com...
> I've been thinking of designing my own bizzare language.  This language will
> be based on two important concepts of modern programming languages: objects,
> and exceptions.
>
> My language will unify these two great concepts, the object and the
> exception, into a single construct called an "objection".
>
> All program logic will be encapsulated in objection handlers.  Objections
> can be either "sustained" or "overruled".  The entry point for all programs
> is the raising of an objection.

LOL!

Perfect for language lawyers.


> The new language will facilitate a new programming paradigm, which I call
> "programming by objection".

Or "Objection-Oriented Programming."


Marshall

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[E.Chang]

"Mark Lundquist" <up.yerz@nospam.com> wrote in
news:kGRN7.5590$726.2937336@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com: 

> I've been thinking of designing my own bizzare language.  This
> language will be based on two important concepts of modern
> programming languages: objects, and exceptions.

[snip]

> The new language will facilitate a new programming paradigm, which
> I call "programming by objection".

It sounds perfect for implementing the classic mathematical technique 
of "Proof by Intimidation."

-- 
EBC

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[Carl G.]

"Mark Lundquist" <up.yerz@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:kGRN7.5590$726.2937336@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com...
> I've been thinking of designing my own bizzare language.  This language
will
> be based on two important concepts of modern programming languages:
objects,
> and exceptions.
>
> My language will unify these two great concepts, the object and the
> exception, into a single construct called an "objection".
>
> All program logic will be encapsulated in objection handlers.  Objections
> can be either "sustained" or "overruled".  The entry point for all
programs
> is the raising of an objection.
>
> The new language will facilitate a new programming paradigm, which I call
> "programming by objection".
>
> Have a nice day.
> -- mark

LOL

"If there are no objections, then the class is dismissed."

Carl G.

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[Lance Purple]

Mark Lundquist <up.yerz@nospam.com> wrote:
>My language will unify these two great concepts, the object and the
>exception, into a single construct called an "objection".
>
>All program logic will be encapsulated in objection handlers.  Objections
>can be either "sustained" or "overruled".  The entry point for all programs
>is the raising of an objection.

I'd also suggest the following features:

  - some sort of GUI data structure, called an "exhibit".
  - a "recorder" that maintains a transcript of raised objections.
  - the ability to mark programs in "contempt" if they raise too
    many overruled objections.

-- 
      .-----------------------------------------------------------------.
     / Lance Purple   lpurple at io.com   http://purple.home.texas.net /
    '-----------------------------------------------------------------'

Ada PROGRAMMING SKILLS IN HIGH DEMAND (once upon a time, in 1995 )

[IsraelRT]

How things have changed.......




"Ada PROGRAMMING SKILLS IN HIGH DEMAND

A Federal Computer Week supplement, Federal Integrator, 
reported that Washington, D.C. area contractors are in recruitment
mode and seeking employees experienced in 
object-oriented, client/server technologies. N. Gus 
Siekierka, vice president of human resources with Computer 
Sciences Corp.'s Systems Group, and a number of other 
integration executives pointed out that people with Ada 
programming skills are in high demand. Some executives 
attributed this situation not only to the military's use of 
Ada but to the government's growing interest in software 
reuse, the article stated.

SOURCE:
"Federal Integrators Are Hiring," John Moore. Federal 
Integrator ( a supplement of Federal Computer Week). October 
23, 1995 (Vol.9, No.31); FCW Group Inc., 3110 Fairview Park 
Drive, Falls Church, VA 22042-4599; 703/876-5100."

http://archive.adaic.com/news/weekly/1995/95-12-01.html

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[Logan Shaw]

In article <kGRN7.5590$726.2937336@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com>,
Mark Lundquist <up.yerz@nospam.com> wrote:
>My language will unify these two great concepts, the object and the
>exception, into a single construct called an "objection".

Doh!  You stole my joke!  Not that you had any way of knowing.

Of course, the way that you'd throw an objection is to use the "object"
keyword.

>All program logic will be encapsulated in objection handlers.  Objections
>can be either "sustained" or "overruled".  The entry point for all programs
>is the raising of an objection.

Now this I didn't think of.

>The new language will facilitate a new programming paradigm, which I call
>"programming by objection".

Are you sure you don't want to call it Pure Dysfunctional Programming?

  - Logan
-- 
"In order to be prepared to hope in what does not deceive,
 we must first lose hope in everything that deceives."

                                          Georges Bernanos

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[John R. Antley]

Let me know when you have a demonstrable prototype.  I'm anxious to develop
some sub-class actioners:  Employees, Developers, Managers, Directors, VP, CEO,
Attorney, Congressman, etc.

Mark Lundquist wrote:

> I've been thinking of designing my own bizzare language.  This language will
> be based on two important concepts of modern programming languages: objects,
> and exceptions.
>
> My language will unify these two great concepts, the object and the
> exception, into a single construct called an "objection".
>
> All program logic will be encapsulated in objection handlers.  Objections
> can be either "sustained" or "overruled".  The entry point for all programs
> is the raising of an objection.
>
> The new language will facilitate a new programming paradigm, which I call
> "programming by objection".
>
> Have a nice day.
> -- mark

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[wallewek]

Sorry, I can'r resist.  This is one of my favorites:

----------------------
Bell Laboratories has formally announced what it believes is the ultimate
computer science language. Described by Iusi Nogoto, the foremost Japanese
fourth generation language expert, as "the only truly elegant computer
language ever devised." NULL, as it is known, was developed by the same
department that originally invented the wrong number, the busy signal, and
the phrase, "The number you have reached is not in service."
...
----------------------

For the rest of the text, see:
http://jdurrett.ba.ttu.edu/misc/Null-language.html

Note the name of the programmer.  Priceless!

/kenw
Ken Wallewein
Calgary, Alberta
kenw@kmsi.net

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[AV]

...well, and than, as usual, legal battle with NULL++...

AlexV

<wallewek@kmsi.net> wrote in message
news:nd8d1uo1sm6og7rn00ca26l5kk6099hl92@4ax.com...
> Sorry, I can'r resist.  This is one of my favorites:
>
> ----------------------
> Bell Laboratories has formally announced what it believes is the ultimate
> computer science language. Described by Iusi Nogoto, the foremost Japanese
> fourth generation language expert, as "the only truly elegant computer
> language ever devised." NULL, as it is known, was developed by the same
> department that originally invented the wrong number, the busy signal, and
> the phrase, "The number you have reached is not in service."
> ...
> ----------------------
>
> For the rest of the text, see:
> http://jdurrett.ba.ttu.edu/misc/Null-language.html
>
> Note the name of the programmer.  Priceless!
>
> /kenw
> Ken Wallewein
> Calgary, Alberta
> kenw@kmsi.net

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[Hugh Laderman]

LMAO

<wallewek@kmsi.net> wrote in message
news:nd8d1uo1sm6og7rn00ca26l5kk6099hl92@4ax.com...
> Sorry, I can'r resist.  This is one of my favorites:
>
> ----------------------
> Bell Laboratories has formally announced what it believes is the ultimate
> computer science language. Described by Iusi Nogoto, the foremost Japanese
> fourth generation language expert, as "the only truly elegant computer
> language ever devised." NULL, as it is known, was developed by the same
> department that originally invented the wrong number, the busy signal, and
> the phrase, "The number you have reached is not in service."
> ...
> ----------------------
>
> For the rest of the text, see:
> http://jdurrett.ba.ttu.edu/misc/Null-language.html
>
> Note the name of the programmer.  Priceless!
>
> /kenw
> Ken Wallewein
> Calgary, Alberta
> kenw@kmsi.net

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[Mark Jason Dominus]

In article <nd8d1uo1sm6og7rn00ca26l5kk6099hl92@4ax.com>,
 <wallewek@kmsi.net> wrote:
>Sorry, I can'r resist.  This is one of my favorites:
>
>----------------------
>Bell Laboratories has formally announced what it believes is the ultimate
>computer science language. Described by Iusi Nogoto, the foremost Japanese
>fourth generation language expert, as "the only truly elegant computer
>language ever devised."
>----------------------
>
>Note the name of the programmer.  Priceless!

Truth is stranger (and usually more interesting) than fiction.
According to the article "Structured Programming with GO TO
Statements" by Donald E. Knuth:

        At the IFIP Congress in 1971 I had the pleasure of meeting
        Dr. Eiichi Goto of Japan, who cheerfully complained that he
        was always being elimiated.

 
(ACM _Computing Surveys_, Vol. 6 No. 4 (December 1974)  p. 264)

-- 
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@p{"r$p","u$p"}=(P,P);pipe"r$p","u$p";++$p;($q*=2)+=$f=!fork;map{$P=$P[$f^ord
($p{$_})&6];$p{$_}=/ ^$P/ix?$P:close$_}keys%p}p;p;p;p;p;map{$p{$_}=~/^[P.]/&&
close$_}%p;wait until$?;map{/^r/&&<$_>}%p;$_=$d[$q];sleep rand(2)if/\S/;print

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[Leo Tohill]

"The number you have reached is not in service."

Would be funny, if it were true.  The actual message, as I've heard it, is
"The number you (have) dialed is not in service."


<wallewek@kmsi.net> wrote in message
news:nd8d1uo1sm6og7rn00ca26l5kk6099hl92@4ax.com...
> Sorry, I can'r resist.  This is one of my favorites:
>
> ----------------------
> Bell Laboratories has formally announced what it believes is the ultimate
> computer science language. Described by Iusi Nogoto, the foremost Japanese
> fourth generation language expert, as "the only truly elegant computer
> language ever devised." NULL, as it is known, was developed by the same
> department that originally invented the wrong number, the busy signal, and
> the phrase, "The number you have reached is not in service."
> ...
> ----------------------
>
> For the rest of the text, see:
> http://jdurrett.ba.ttu.edu/misc/Null-language.html
>
> Note the name of the programmer.  Priceless!
>
> /kenw
> Ken Wallewein
> Calgary, Alberta
> kenw@kmsi.net

Re: Bizarre languages ( was Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? )

[Steven Rumbalski]

> The new language will facilitate a new programming paradigm, which I call
> "programming by objection".

or "objectional programming"

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Patrick Doyle]

In article <08utvtg6437744cjn7120ul528hjbeg25s@4ax.com>,
Gregor  <gg@gg.net> wrote:
>
>As a  professional web developer, I would have to say LOGO is the wave
>of the future. LOGO is an unappreciated language and easy to learn!

Actually, I agree with you!  LOGO is a functional language (though
it's chock-full of side effects such as moving the turtle).  I always
found LOGO very easy to program in.  It's like Lisp without all the
parentheses.

If it hadn't been for the turtle, maybe it would have been taken
more seriously.  :-)

-- 
--
Patrick Doyle
doylep@eecg.toronto.edu

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Alexandre]

BrianMetc@aol.com (Brian Metc) wrote in message news:<1004990076967295@aol.com>...
> I would like to get into the programing field. My problem is that I have low IQ due to
> early childhool learning deprivation and TV overdose. Simply said I am stuped, I am 
> pretty good amongst my friends, but not solving problems. You know what I
> mean. Anyways, I want to go into computor programing because of money
> issue. I now need to choose languege for programming, simple enough
> for me.
> 
> My friend wh does C plus plus recommended that I learn either Visual Basic or Eiffel.
> My ex girlfriend who is a sys admin who did perl, sugested that I learn Ada because
> it has "serious type system" which is fool proof.
> 
> She dis couraged me from using Eiffel because itr was  a language going out of the
> market, no longer used by any serious corporation, She said the same thing for Ada.
> 
> Java is simple compared to c plus plus but a scam language, based on hype.
> 
> This only leaves visual basic. Especally because it is used under Windows, Microsoft
> stuff is always easier.
> 
> Would any one sugest the best language for me.
> 
> Brian

Go away, a good way to formulate you question would be:

I'm a stupid monkey who has no interest in computer science and want
to be a rich ass like bill gates. What should I start with?

If you want an easy language, choose QBASIC, it does exactly what you
deserve to be able do for the effort you want to put in it: almost
nothing, you might if you are lucky be able to writte a book on QBASIC
for monkeys like you who want money without effort != programming (!=
stands for not equal in C). My friendliest advice is get to work on
VB, Perl, Java(it is easier to C/C++ almost as powerful, but still
easy), C++, C, ASM and then you will get a bunch of cash by trying to
choose and love a language (Not VB, no offence, but u dont want to
carry OCXs around). (The normal way is love a language and then since
you are good, you get lots of cash, but it might work the other way
around who knows)

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[jmburton]

> C++ is the best choice for dull programmers. The quality of your code will
> be indistinguishable from that of a the C++ guru.

Are you a troll?

In case if you are genuine, which I doubt, I disagree. Eiffel is a
better language for dull programmers. Since Eiffel is usually abandoned
before software goes into production, no one will ever have to deal
with the inevitable bugs left by sloppy Eiffel programmers.
Plus, poor performance due to bad algorithms designed by poorly
educated programmers can be excused by the natural slowness of Eiffel
(garbage collection instead of efficient on-demand memory allocation
and deallocation).

You have to know C++ anyway, as Eiffel is merely a front end to C++
(it is compiled into C++, not native code), and requires external calls
to C++ for anything useful like OS services.

I studied Eiffel in college and have a buddy who used to program in
that sad pathetic language, so I do know what I am talking about.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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FreeBSD Consulting & Security Administration
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Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Eirik Mangseth]

"jmburton" <jmburton@usenix.org> wrote in message
news:1005188797788841@usenix.org...
> > C++ is the best choice for dull programmers. The quality of your code
will
> > be indistinguishable from that of a the C++ guru.
>
> Are you a troll?
>
> In case if you are genuine, which I doubt, I disagree. Eiffel is a
> better language for dull programmers. Since Eiffel is usually abandoned
> before software goes into production, no one will ever have to deal
> with the inevitable bugs left by sloppy Eiffel programmers.
> Plus, poor performance due to bad algorithms designed by poorly
> educated programmers can be excused by the natural slowness of Eiffel
> (garbage collection instead of efficient on-demand memory allocation
> and deallocation).
>
> You have to know C++ anyway, as Eiffel is merely a front end to C++
> (it is compiled into C++, not native code), and requires external calls
> to C++ for anything useful like OS services.
>
> I studied Eiffel in college and have a buddy who used to program in
> that sad pathetic language, so I do know what I am talking about.

And pigs will fly.

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> J M Burton
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-- eirik

"If I can't Eiffel in heaven, I won't go"

Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Jim Cochrane]

Don't feed the trolls, Eirik - or the trolls responding to trolls ... :-)

In article <R1rG7.14$eZi.171124224@news.telia.no>,
Eirik Mangseth <no_spam_eirik@stockpoint.no> wrote:
>
>"jmburton" <jmburton@usenix.org> wrote in message
>news:1005188797788841@usenix.org...
>> > C++ is the best choice for dull programmers. The quality of your code
>will
>> > be indistinguishable from that of a the C++ guru.
>>
>> Are you a troll?
>>
>> In case if you are genuine, which I doubt, I disagree. Eiffel is a
>> better language for dull programmers. Since Eiffel is usually abandoned
>> before software goes into production, no one will ever have to deal
>> with the inevitable bugs left by sloppy Eiffel programmers.
>> Plus, poor performance due to bad algorithms designed by poorly
>> educated programmers can be excused by the natural slowness of Eiffel
>> (garbage collection instead of efficient on-demand memory allocation
>> and deallocation).
>>
>> You have to know C++ anyway, as Eiffel is merely a front end to C++
>> (it is compiled into C++, not native code), and requires external calls
>> to C++ for anything useful like OS services.
>>
>> I studied Eiffel in college and have a buddy who used to program in
>> that sad pathetic language, so I do know what I am talking about.
>
>And pigs will fly.
>
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> J M Burton
>> FreeBSD Consulting & Security Administration
>> * * * This is a .sig virus. Copy it into your .sig to propagate. * * *
>>
>
>-- eirik
>
>"If I can't Eiffel in heaven, I won't go"
>
>
>


-- 
Jim Cochrane
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Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Graham Perkins]

jmburton wrote:
> 
> > C++ is the best choice for dull programmers. The quality of your code will
> > be indistinguishable from that of a the C++ guru.
> 
> Are you a troll?
> In case if you are genuine, which I doubt, I disagree.

Lighten up!  It was a joke!


> Eiffel ...

Now you say four false things (not controversial, actually
FALSE):

  Garbage collection is inefficient
  Eiffel is front end for C++
  Programmer has to know C++ to use Eiffel
  Eiffel programmer has to call C++ for anything useful like OS calls

which makes us think YOU are a troll.  Please, if you have some
sensible questions to ask, about Eiffel and other technologies, 
don't spoil it by making assertions from a position of ignorance.




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Re: Best language for low IQ programmers?

[Patrick Doyle]

In article <3BEA7120.8A979611@gperkins.co.uk>,
Graham Perkins  <gperkins@gperkins.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Now you say four false things (not controversial, actually
>FALSE):
>
>  Garbage collection is inefficient
>  Eiffel is front end for C++
>  Programmer has to know C++ to use Eiffel
>  Eiffel programmer has to call C++ for anything useful like OS calls
>
>which makes us think YOU are a troll.  Please, if you have some
>sensible questions to ask, about Eiffel and other technologies, 
>don't spoil it by making assertions from a position of ignorance.

Ah, Graham.  I had a whole response to this all typed up, and then
I realized that this is exactly the purpose of a troll, so I
deleted it.  :-)

I must say, though, that this fellow's troll is MUCH better than
the original one.  The original one seemed like a joke to me the
first moment I read it.

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Patrick Doyle
doylep@eecg.toronto.edu