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From: bobduff@dsd.camb.inmet.com (Bob Duff)
Subject: Re: Child packages
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:37:12 GMT
Date: 1994-10-20T16:37:12+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CxzCu0.D8I@inmet.camb.inmet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 385thq$kh6@watnews1.watson.ibm.com

In article <385thq$kh6@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>,
Norman H. Cohen <ncohen@watson.ibm.com> wrote:
>While child packages provide many more advantages than disadvantages, I
>feel we have lost something important from Ada 83--a clearly marked,
>compiler-recognized distinction between those aspects of a module that do
>and do not form a part of its "contract".

This is an interesting point.  Note, however, that the contents of a
package body, and the contents of a *private* child package, are hidden
from clients and from new (public) children.

By the way, this whole discussion has been about what happens when
somebody extends an existing system by adding children.  Don't forget
that a hierarchy of children is a good way to organize a subsystem being
written by one person or team -- we don't need to imagine a separate
organization extending the subsystem in order to find a use for child
units.  A lot of cases that in Ada 83 would be done as a single package
will tend to be split into a hierarchy in Ada 9X.

Note also that the distinction between public and private has never been
perfect in Ada.  If you see (in the visible part of a package):

    Message: constant String := "File not found.";

You can't be sure exactly what information is being exported.  
Is the package promising that this string will always be 15 characters
long, and/or contain exactly those characters?  Or is it merely
promising that the thing is called Message, and it's of type String.
If somebody wants to change the message to be more informative, will
that break existing clients?  We don't know for sure.

Now, you may say that one ought to have made it a function, so changing
the message would only require a change to the body.  Well, perhaps, but
that interface promises less to the client in one respect -- the client
can be sure that a reference to Message above will not have side
effects, and will always produce the same value.  Using a function
doesn't make any such promise.  Furthermore, it's more verbose (by a
factor of 5, if you're counting lines of code), so a lot of people will
choose the constant-declaration way.

-- 
Bob Duff                                bobduff@inmet.com
Oak Tree Software, Inc.
Ada 9X Mapping/Revision Team (Intermetrics, Inc.)



  parent reply	other threads:[~1994-10-20 16:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1994-09-29 20:08 Is Ada the future? [was: Is C++ the future?] John DiCamillo
1994-09-30 13:45 ` David Weller
1994-10-01 21:40   ` John DiCamillo
1994-10-03  9:53     ` Robert I. Eachus
1994-10-03 20:41       ` John DiCamillo
1994-10-04  8:41         ` Robb Nebbe
     [not found]           ` <85C825A689A@annwfn.com>
1994-10-13 14:40             ` John Volan
1994-10-13 21:14               ` Matt Kennel
1994-10-14  0:37                 ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-14 10:16                 ` Robb Nebbe
1994-10-14 20:43                   ` Bob Duff
1994-10-13 22:01           ` Val Kartchner
1994-10-14  1:38             ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-14  9:31             ` Robb Nebbe
1994-10-14 16:16               ` Child packages [nn,pedo,incest,cons] Robert Firth
1994-10-14 17:13                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1994-10-17  8:18                   ` Robb Nebbe
1994-10-17 11:52                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1994-10-17 21:54                       ` Bob Duff
1994-10-18 10:30                       ` Child packages Robb Nebbe
1994-10-18  9:37                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1994-10-18 19:09                           ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-19 11:03                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1994-10-19 16:24                               ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-10-19 23:13                                 ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-20 14:06                                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-10-20 11:09                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1994-10-20 19:02                                       ` Benjamin Ketcham
1994-10-20 17:08                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1994-10-20 16:37                                     ` Bob Duff [this message]
1994-10-20 16:40                                       ` Bob Duff
1994-10-21 14:02                                       ` Mark Biggar, 5172
1994-10-21  8:48                                     ` Robb Nebbe
1994-10-19 18:54                               ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-20  0:27                               ` Matt Kennel
1994-10-20  8:21                                 ` Magnus Kempe
1994-10-20 13:52                                 ` John Volan
1994-10-19 16:19                             ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-10-04 14:44         ` Is Ada the future? [was: Is C++ the future?] Robert Dewar
1994-10-04 15:53           ` Richard Kenner
     [not found] ` <36h4pc$9dd@starbase.neosoft.com>
1994-09-30 20:15   ` Benjamin Ketcham
1994-10-02 16:30   ` Robin Rowe
1994-10-02 18:00     ` David Weller
1994-10-03 15:55       ` Netspeak: What is "trolling"? Norman H. Cohen
1994-10-03 17:04         ` Kenneth Aubey 913-4481
1994-10-03 21:06       ` Is Ada the future? [was: Is C++ the future?] John DiCamillo
1994-10-04  0:29         ` David Weller
1994-10-04 17:42           ` John DiCamillo
1994-10-05  8:18             ` Magnus Kempe
1994-10-05 13:49             ` Tucker Taft
     [not found]         ` <36q7m5$4ef@starbase.neosoft.com>
1994-10-04 17:55           ` Robin Rowe
1994-10-04 22:42         ` Tucker Taft
1994-10-03  9:22     ` Andrew Lees
1994-10-03 21:31       ` John DiCamillo
1994-10-04 23:29         ` John DiCamillo
1994-10-05  3:52           ` Robin Rowe
1994-10-05 13:15             ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-05 13:54           ` David Weller
     [not found]             ` <36uhnl$4c1@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
     [not found]               ` <37dp17$gp6@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au>
1994-10-11 13:37                 ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-19 11:24               ` Stephen J Bevan
1994-10-19 15:51                 ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-25 12:21                   ` Stephen J Bevan
1994-10-05 17:08           ` Ted Dennison
     [not found]     ` <36msgr$qq2@starbase.neosoft.com>
1994-10-04  7:21       ` Ada compared to C++ Robin Rowe
1994-10-05  6:44         ` Bob Kitzberger
1994-10-05 12:02           ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-05 18:20           ` Bob Kitzberger
1994-10-05  8:44         ` Magnus Kempe
1994-10-05 19:55           ` David Weller
     [not found]   ` <1994Oct6.133002.1@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com>
1994-10-16  3:30     ` Mark S. Hathaway
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1995-03-17  9:27 An observation of Ada (may offend) R.A.L Williams
1995-03-17 17:08 ` Norman H. Cohen
1995-03-23 16:38   ` Robert I. Eachus
1995-03-24 10:46     ` Peter Hermann
1995-03-27  9:59       ` Child packages Robb Nebbe
1995-03-28  1:11         ` Keith Thompson
1995-03-28 11:54           ` Keith Thompson
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