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From: Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective?
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2018 13:28:58 -0400
Date: 2018-07-02T13:28:58-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <t9nkjdhr6sik9eu5kcpacb76thdrjope38@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: b8a83993-063b-4fe7-be0f-9a5ac35aa9a4@googlegroups.com

On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 10:10:00 -0700 (PDT), kouaoua16@gmail.com declaimed the
following:

>
>The course is too start with Algorithms first and then end with programming. Perhaps this is counterintuitive as students will then tend to learn the Algorithms part by heart. But if I start with programming first and move on to Algorithms, then students will better understand the logic of the presentation. What is your opinion?

	Ideally, algorithms should be language agnostic... Basic conceptual
building blocks: sequential statements, branching (if/else; switch/case --
I'd try to avoid goto), functions/procedures (or in ancient FORTRAN terms:
function subprograms and subroutine subprograms); data structures: arrays,
record structures, linked lists (in my day, taught by using static arrays
with tags for the index -- no dynamic allocation in FORTRAN-IV), hashes
(for my data structures class we had the assignment of implementing a
hashed head multiple-linked list "phone directory" -- we were allowed to
use any language the instructor was familiar with [so no SNOBOL or APL, and
no C in 1979 Sigma CP/V, just FORTRAN IV, COBOL, Assembler, BASIC -- maybe
UCSD Pascal if one had access to the two LSI-11s]; on a whim I used BASIC,
chain-loading functionality as the BASIC only permitted four open data
files at a time). 

	Converting an algorithm to an implementation language is a different
matter from understanding algorithms. And if these are truly beginners, you
probably don't have time to introduce object-oriented analysis/design
(which should also be language agnostic -- you later map what the design
comes up with into the features of the implementation language). Which
likely also means that the OO features of C++ will barely be touched...


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	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-02 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-30 18:04 Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective? kouaoua16
2018-06-30 18:15 ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-30 19:27   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-30 19:07 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-01 16:12 ` kouaoua16
2018-07-01 17:08   ` Luke A. Guest
2018-07-01 19:19     ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-02  6:12       ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-01 20:52 ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-01 21:35   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-02  5:56     ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-02  9:58       ` Marius Amado-Alves
2018-07-02 11:03         ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-02 13:52           ` Marius Amado-Alves
2018-07-04 12:10             ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-02 20:14         ` Paul Rubin
2018-07-03  9:48           ` Marius Amado-Alves
2018-07-04  2:52             ` Paul Rubin
2018-07-02 18:52       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-03  8:00         ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-03 12:40           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-03 20:54             ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-04  3:10               ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-04  7:59                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-04  8:37                   ` Marius Amado-Alves
2018-07-04 12:22                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-04 14:13                       ` Simon Wright
2018-07-04 14:56                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-04 15:52                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-07-04 16:24                             ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-07-04 20:00                               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-07-05 18:35                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-05 19:39                                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-07-06 18:45                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-04 20:13                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-04 21:09                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-07-05  5:49                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-05  7:37                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-07-05 13:14                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-05 15:18                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-07-05 19:16                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-07 15:09                                         ` Lucretia
2018-07-05 19:12                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-05 20:10                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-06 19:01                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-06 19:35                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-07-05  7:43                                   ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-07-05 18:53                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-05 19:06                                     ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-06 18:47                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-05 20:12                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-06 18:51                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-06 19:43                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-07-06 20:18                                           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-07  8:39                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-07-07 11:53                                           ` Björn Lundin
2018-07-06 20:22                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-06 23:26                                           ` Paul Rubin
2018-07-07  6:17                                             ` J-P. Rosen
2018-07-07  6:37                                               ` Micronian Coder
2018-07-07  8:48                                                 ` Privacy and child packages (Was: Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2018-07-07 20:19                                               ` Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective? Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-08 15:25                                           ` Simon Wright
2018-07-08 20:00                                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-09  9:04                                               ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-07-05 15:30                               ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-05 20:38                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-05 21:05                                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-05 18:47                               ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-04 16:01                           ` Simon Wright
2018-07-04 17:12                           ` G. B.
2018-07-04 20:18                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-04 21:03                               ` G.B.
2018-07-04 17:21                           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-04 20:36                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-04 22:44                               ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-05  2:01                                 ` Luke A. Guest
2018-07-05  5:03                                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-05  5:58                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-05 19:25                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-05 19:22                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-05 18:31                       ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-06  3:32           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-06 12:05             ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-06 20:42             ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-06 21:32               ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-07 20:43                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-08 17:36                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-08 18:39                     ` Bill Findlay
2018-07-08 19:28                       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-09 12:34                         ` Bill Findlay
2018-07-09 15:19                           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-09 19:34                             ` Bill Findlay
2018-07-09 22:03                               ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-09 22:35                                 ` Bill Findlay
2018-07-10  1:56                                   ` Lucretia
2018-07-10 23:14                         ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-11 14:05                           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-11 20:20                             ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-08 20:43                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-08 23:17                       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-09  6:13                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-09 16:35                           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-10 23:20                       ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-10 23:51                         ` Britt
2018-07-02 17:10   ` kouaoua16
2018-07-02 17:28     ` Dennis Lee Bieber [this message]
2018-07-02 18:22     ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-07-02 20:27     ` G.B.
2018-07-02  0:11 ` Paul Rubin
2018-07-02 14:26 ` kouaoua16
2018-07-02 19:57 ` G.B.
2018-07-02 20:17   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-07-03  9:56 ` Brian Drummond
2018-07-04 12:18 ` Olivier Henley
2018-07-04 14:17   ` kouaoua16
2018-07-12  5:38 ` robin.vowels
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