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From: Benjamin Ketcham <bketcham@drizzle.com>
Subject: Re: Ada Popularity: Comparison of Ada/Charles with C++ STL (and Perl)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:38:33 -0000
Date: 2004-09-22T13:38:33+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1095860313.176522@yasure> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 11b4d.3849$d5.30042@newsb.telia.net

Bj?rn Persson <spam-away@nowhere.nil> wrote:
> Kevin Cline wrote:
> 
>> Ada/Charles 158 lines, 9 files
>> C++         76 lines
>> Perl        14 lines
> 
> Neat. Now let's take three identical persons who haven't seen this 
> program before, give them one version each, and see how long it takes 
> them to understand it.
> 
> In other words: What matters is how easy the program is to read and 
> maintain. The line count is interesting only to the extent that it 
> affects the readability.

Well, the line count affects readability rather profoundly, in
this example!  Not being an expert in any of the languages
concerned, I can take a more objective view of readability
perhaps; and I can say that if I had to figure out and maintain
any of these programs, the one that easily fits in entirety
on an 80x24 screen wins my approval.  I.e., this
might not scale to larger projects: I'm not at all sure I'd
rather read a 1400-line Perl program than a 7600-line C++
program or a 15800-line Ada program.  Actually, "none of the
above" sounds most appealing.

OTOH, it does not appear that the three programs actually
implement the same spec.  E.g., error messages are different
(and missing in the Perl version), and if I'm not mistaken
the Perl version reads input from stdin, the other two take
a file argument -- or is while(<>) in Perl smart/twisted enough
to read from a filename in argv[] if present, else stdin?  I
certainly recall that it has extensively overloaded behaviour.
Anyway, this is not even a vaguely fair test until all three
actually have the same behaviour in detail.

--Benjamin




  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-22 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 229+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-22  0:21 Ada Popularity: Comparison of Ada/Charles with C++ STL (and Perl) Kevin Cline
2004-09-22  2:16 ` Pylinius
2004-09-22  8:50 ` Björn Persson
2004-09-22 13:38   ` Benjamin Ketcham [this message]
2004-09-22 14:07     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-22 15:16     ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-23  8:22     ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 10:52     ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-23 10:54       ` stephane richard
2004-09-23 11:17       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-23 11:47       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-23 13:34         ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-23 16:53           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-23 18:30           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 19:00             ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-24  6:04               ` [OT]Screen ergonomics, was " Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-26  7:22               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 17:19         ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-23  8:51   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 11:01     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-23 15:59       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 16:38       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-24  2:47         ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 13:43           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-24 17:47             ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-24 18:16               ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-29 19:29                 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-29 22:44                   ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-25 14:09             ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-26  7:08           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 15:13             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 19:10     ` jayessay
2004-09-23 21:13       ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-27  2:12         ` Keith H Duggar
2004-09-27 14:21           ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-27 14:51             ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-27 17:10               ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-27 20:16               ` Keith H Duggar
2004-09-27 21:15                 ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-28  4:46                   ` Keith H Duggar
2004-09-27 20:34             ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-27 21:15               ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-23 23:05     ` Brian May
2004-09-24  3:06       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24  3:52       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-24  5:15         ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 19:12         ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-24 20:54           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-24 21:23             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-27 13:22           ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-27 13:45             ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-27 21:31             ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-27 23:51               ` Brian May
2004-09-28 12:21               ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-26 17:10         ` jayessay
2004-09-26 20:00           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-27 14:45             ` jayessay
2004-09-24  0:19     ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-24 14:54       ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-22 15:27 ` James Alan Farrell
2004-09-22 21:24   ` Simon Wright
2004-09-23  0:03     ` Brian May
2004-09-23  9:17       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23  0:44     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-23 11:08       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-23  8:15     ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-23 16:20       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 19:23         ` Simon Wright
2004-09-24  7:19         ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-24 16:31           ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 19:24           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-25 14:04             ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-26 10:36               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-26 15:35                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-28 17:46                   ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-29  7:49                     ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-29 12:01                       ` Xenos
2004-09-29 18:16                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-30 15:55                         ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-27 22:22               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-28  7:51                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-29  3:04                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-29  6:03                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-29 13:31                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29 13:46                     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-30  3:42                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-30  7:54                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-30 16:50                         ` Matthew Heaney
2004-10-01  0:04                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-10-01 12:25                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-02  7:35                               ` K
2004-10-02 10:00                                 ` Brian May
2004-10-02 20:39                                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-10-03  2:17                                     ` Brian May
2004-10-02 13:40                                 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-10-02 23:33                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-03 12:47                                   ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-30 19:01                         ` Björn Persson
2004-09-30 23:54                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-10-01 16:11                             ` Björn Persson
2004-10-02  6:48                               ` K
2004-10-02 10:41                                 ` Björn Persson
2004-10-02 13:32                                 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-10-04  9:02                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-23  9:00   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 11:27     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-23 19:11       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 21:01         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-26  6:53           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 15:29             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-23 21:54         ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-24  9:44         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-24  9:50         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-24 13:47           ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 14:14             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-25 14:17               ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-27  8:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-27 12:59                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-27 13:53                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-26  7:17               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-27  8:19                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-27 13:03                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-27 14:00                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-24 16:28           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-24 17:45             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-24 20:14             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 20:10               ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-09-27  8:29                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-26  7:13               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 15:15                 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-27 14:31                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-27 15:05                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-28  4:22                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-28  8:20                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-28 23:26                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-29 12:19                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-30 18:52                               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-01  7:55                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-03 19:35                                   ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-04 10:24                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-06 17:28                                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-07  8:24                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-10 21:09                                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-11  8:08                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-15  9:34                                               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-15 16:58                                                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-29 15:44                             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-30 18:27                               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-28 17:21                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-29  1:38                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29 18:08                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-30 18:30                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29  8:08                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-29 18:11                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-30  8:57                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2004-10-01  8:58                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-03 19:53                                   ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-04 10:15                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-04 12:16                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-10-04 13:21                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-06 17:20                                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-07 10:08                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-10 22:21                                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-11  8:46                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-15  9:25                                               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-15 11:56                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-20 20:06                                                   ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-21  2:51                                                     ` Kevin Cline
2004-10-21  8:39                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-27 21:41                                                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-01 13:02                                 ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-28 10:26                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-27 16:21                     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-28  2:47                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-28  4:03                         ` Brian May
2004-09-28  4:46                         ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-29  3:14                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-29  3:50                             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-29  3:52                               ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-29 13:44                             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-26  6:32           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 15:05             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-27 14:35               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 19:30       ` jayessay
2004-09-23 19:42     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-22 21:05 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-23  9:20   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 16:58     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-23  6:24 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 11:23   ` Jeff C r e e.m
2004-09-23 11:35     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-23 17:05       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-23 17:07       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-23 18:30     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 19:31       ` Simon Wright
2004-09-24  0:09         ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-25 10:41           ` Simon Wright
2004-09-23 18:24   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 17:12 ` Dan Andreatta
2004-09-23 18:10   ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-23 19:21     ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-23 19:31       ` Ed Falis
2004-09-23 19:37         ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-24 20:09       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-25  0:18         ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-26  6:37           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 14:57             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 19:24     ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-23 21:30       ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-26 11:44         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-26 17:02         ` jayessay
2004-09-24  8:26       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-23 22:08     ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-09-24  8:10     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-24 17:43       ` Dan Andreatta
2004-09-24 17:40     ` Dan Andreatta
2004-09-24 18:50       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-23 22:34 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-23 23:11   ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-24  1:57     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24  6:32       ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-24 21:01         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-24  0:43   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-24  1:51   ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 20:21     ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 11:09 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-27 13:49   ` Björn Persson
2004-10-12  5:21 ` Ada Popularity: Comparison of languages Brian May
2004-10-12 11:43   ` Peter Hermann
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