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From: Matthew Heaney <matthewjheaney@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Ada Popularity: Comparison of Ada/Charles with C++ STL (and Perl)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 02:47:04 GMT
Date: 2004-09-24T02:47:04+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <uk6ukb74c.fsf@earthlink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: e749549b.0409230838.105729a5@posting.google.com

kevin.cline@gmail.com (Kevin Cline) writes:

> Georg Bauhaus <sb463ba@l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> wrote:
> > Is the intention to first store a 0 with word, and then
> > to increment the value stored at word?
> 
> My understanding is that Insert will insert a new key/value pair into
> the map if no entry exists for the given key, and outputs the iterator
> I pointing to the key/value pair for the given key.

Yes.  This behavior is identical to the C++ statements:

   typedef std::map<std::string, int> wcmap_t;

   wcmap_t wcmap;

   typedef wcmap_t::iterator iter_t;
   typedef std::pair<iter_t, bool> status_t;

   const status_t status = wcmap.insert(std::make_pair(word, 0));
   const iter_t i = status.first;
   ++i->second;
   

> > Although this will require that you know how to separate the queries
> > and commands in this abbreviation. If you are not used to how ++ and
> > [] work in the context of maps, will this still be easy to
> > understand?
> 
> The only question is whether the [] operator will create an entry if
> none exists.  Thirty seconds with the reference will confirm that it
> does, and I would expect a professional programmer to be able to
> remember that.

Yes, the index operator creates an element with its default value, if
the requested key isn't already in the map.

Note, however, that the index operator isn't completely benign.  In
fact, the index operator for map gets its own entry in Effective STL.

One thing programmers sometimes do is:

   some_map[some_key] = x;

The issue here is that the element associated with some_key gets
constructed using its default ctor, and then the object is immediately
assigned the value of x.  But it's more efficient to use the copy ctor,
but to do that you need to use the insert member function as above.

The other issue with the index operator is that if you use a (string)
literal as the key, then it's possible to misspell the value, and create
a new key accidently.

That being said, for this particular problem, the index operator is very
convenient, and entirely appropriate.

   
> > AFAIK, [] does more than one thing behind the scenes.  
> > ++ is known to be difficult to understand in that it
> > is not clear what ++ is referring to. 
> 
> Now are you claiming that C++ is hard to read because one has to learn
> the operator precedence rules?

The rule in C and C++ is that postfix operators have a higher precedence
than prefix operators.  This is the only rule that makes sense, for
example:

   struct S { int i; };

   S s = { 0 };

   ++s.i;

In this case, the operator is the "dot" operator (which isn't
user-definable).

Actually, I would have used a pointer instead:

   S* ps = &s;
   ++ps->i;

The arrow operator is postfix, so it has higher precedence than ++
(which is prefix), so the expression above increments i, not ps.

In the statement:

  ++wcmap[word];

the index operator is postfix, so that happens first.  It either returns
the element whose key is "word", or constructs a new element using the
default ctor for the type, which in this case (type int) initializes the
element to the value 0.

That last bit might be confusing, since you don't normally think of
built-in types as having a constructor.  However, type int does have a
ctor, so for example:
 
   int i;  //garbage
   int j = int::int();  //0

The existence of a default ctor for type int is why the index operator
works safely.

-Matt



  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-24  2:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 229+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-22  0:21 Ada Popularity: Comparison of Ada/Charles with C++ STL (and Perl) Kevin Cline
2004-09-22  2:16 ` Pylinius
2004-09-22  8:50 ` Björn Persson
2004-09-22 13:38   ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-22 14:07     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-22 15:16     ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-23  8:22     ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 10:52     ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-23 10:54       ` stephane richard
2004-09-23 11:17       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-23 11:47       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-23 13:34         ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-23 16:53           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-23 18:30           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 19:00             ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-24  6:04               ` [OT]Screen ergonomics, was " Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-26  7:22               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 17:19         ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-23  8:51   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 11:01     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-23 15:59       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 16:38       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-24  2:47         ` Matthew Heaney [this message]
2004-09-24 13:43           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-24 17:47             ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-24 18:16               ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-29 19:29                 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-29 22:44                   ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-25 14:09             ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-26  7:08           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 15:13             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 19:10     ` jayessay
2004-09-23 21:13       ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-27  2:12         ` Keith H Duggar
2004-09-27 14:21           ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-27 14:51             ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-27 17:10               ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-27 20:16               ` Keith H Duggar
2004-09-27 21:15                 ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-28  4:46                   ` Keith H Duggar
2004-09-27 20:34             ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-27 21:15               ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-23 23:05     ` Brian May
2004-09-24  3:06       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24  3:52       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-24  5:15         ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 19:12         ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-24 20:54           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-24 21:23             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-27 13:22           ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-27 13:45             ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-27 21:31             ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-27 23:51               ` Brian May
2004-09-28 12:21               ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-26 17:10         ` jayessay
2004-09-26 20:00           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-27 14:45             ` jayessay
2004-09-24  0:19     ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-24 14:54       ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-22 15:27 ` James Alan Farrell
2004-09-22 21:24   ` Simon Wright
2004-09-23  0:03     ` Brian May
2004-09-23  9:17       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23  0:44     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-23 11:08       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-23  8:15     ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-23 16:20       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 19:23         ` Simon Wright
2004-09-24  7:19         ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-24 16:31           ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 19:24           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-25 14:04             ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-26 10:36               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-26 15:35                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-28 17:46                   ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-29  7:49                     ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-29 12:01                       ` Xenos
2004-09-29 18:16                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-30 15:55                         ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-27 22:22               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-28  7:51                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-29  3:04                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-29  6:03                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-29 13:31                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29 13:46                     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-30  3:42                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-30  7:54                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-30 16:50                         ` Matthew Heaney
2004-10-01  0:04                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-10-01 12:25                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-02  7:35                               ` K
2004-10-02 10:00                                 ` Brian May
2004-10-02 20:39                                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-10-03  2:17                                     ` Brian May
2004-10-02 13:40                                 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-10-02 23:33                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-03 12:47                                   ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-30 19:01                         ` Björn Persson
2004-09-30 23:54                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-10-01 16:11                             ` Björn Persson
2004-10-02  6:48                               ` K
2004-10-02 10:41                                 ` Björn Persson
2004-10-02 13:32                                 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-10-04  9:02                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-23  9:00   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 11:27     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-23 19:11       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 21:01         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-26  6:53           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 15:29             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-23 21:54         ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-24  9:44         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-24  9:50         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-24 13:47           ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 14:14             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-25 14:17               ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-27  8:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-27 12:59                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-27 13:53                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-26  7:17               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-27  8:19                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-27 13:03                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-27 14:00                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-24 16:28           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-24 17:45             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-24 20:14             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 20:10               ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-09-27  8:29                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-26  7:13               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 15:15                 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-27 14:31                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-27 15:05                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-28  4:22                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-28  8:20                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-28 23:26                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-29 12:19                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-30 18:52                               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-01  7:55                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-03 19:35                                   ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-04 10:24                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-06 17:28                                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-07  8:24                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-10 21:09                                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-11  8:08                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-15  9:34                                               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-15 16:58                                                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-29 15:44                             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-30 18:27                               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-28 17:21                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-29  1:38                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29 18:08                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-30 18:30                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29  8:08                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-29 18:11                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-30  8:57                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2004-10-01  8:58                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-03 19:53                                   ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-04 10:15                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-04 12:16                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-10-04 13:21                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-06 17:20                                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-07 10:08                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-10 22:21                                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-11  8:46                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-15  9:25                                               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-15 11:56                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-20 20:06                                                   ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-21  2:51                                                     ` Kevin Cline
2004-10-21  8:39                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-27 21:41                                                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-01 13:02                                 ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-28 10:26                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-27 16:21                     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-28  2:47                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-28  4:03                         ` Brian May
2004-09-28  4:46                         ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-29  3:14                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-29  3:50                             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-29  3:52                               ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-29 13:44                             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-26  6:32           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 15:05             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-27 14:35               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 19:30       ` jayessay
2004-09-23 19:42     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-22 21:05 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-23  9:20   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 16:58     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-23  6:24 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 11:23   ` Jeff C r e e.m
2004-09-23 11:35     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-23 17:05       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-23 17:07       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-23 18:30     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 19:31       ` Simon Wright
2004-09-24  0:09         ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-25 10:41           ` Simon Wright
2004-09-23 18:24   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 17:12 ` Dan Andreatta
2004-09-23 18:10   ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-23 19:21     ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-23 19:31       ` Ed Falis
2004-09-23 19:37         ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-24 20:09       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-25  0:18         ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-26  6:37           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 14:57             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 19:24     ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-23 21:30       ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-26 11:44         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-26 17:02         ` jayessay
2004-09-24  8:26       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-23 22:08     ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-09-24  8:10     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-24 17:43       ` Dan Andreatta
2004-09-24 17:40     ` Dan Andreatta
2004-09-24 18:50       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-23 22:34 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-23 23:11   ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-24  1:57     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24  6:32       ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-24 21:01         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-24  0:43   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-24  1:51   ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 20:21     ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 11:09 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-27 13:49   ` Björn Persson
2004-10-12  5:21 ` Ada Popularity: Comparison of languages Brian May
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