From: Adam Beneschan <adam@irvine.com>
Subject: Re: unsigned type
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2009-07-16T08:12:08-07:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <341fc922-61c4-4217-8b5e-71cff1cc54da@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 59503098-8bd7-4553-9b87-560151327006@c36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com
On Jul 16, 7:41 am, Martin <martin.do...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 2:54 pm, a...@anon.org (anon) wrote:
>
> > The Slice rule RM 4.1.2 ( 7 ) does not stop a vendor from checking the
> > bounds type first. In GNAT, using the last program I posted you will see that
> > GNAT, first checks the lower bound type then checks for a "null range". Which
> > somewhat goes against the rule RM 4.1.2 ( 7 ).
>
> You are confusing what a particular compiler does with the language
> specification - GNAT by simply be buggy.
Right. I think that the issue here is that if the RM says something
like "Constraint_Error is raised if X and Y are true", then it doesn't
matter whether X or Y is checked first. BUT: If you can somehow tell
from the results (not from examining the code or running it under a
debugger) that Y is being checked first, then the implementation is
wrong. The last two sentences of 4.1.2(7) are, as far as I can tell,
equivalent to saying "Constraint_Error is raised if the slice is not a
null slice *and* the bounds of the discrete_range do not belong to the
index range of the array", so it's really irrelevant which of the two
conditions separated by "and" is checked first---as long as the result
is correct. If an implementation checks the "bounds belong to range"
condition first, and raises Constraint_Error (or faults) if this check
fails even if the "null slice" condition is true, then of course the
implementation is wrong.
However, I looked over the example program in the "getting back to
null range" post and I couldn't see any evidence that GNAT is doing
anything wrong. Part of the confusion there is that the program
seemed to have an error; as Christoph pointed out, the programmer was
using the value of an uninitialized variable in places where he
thought he was specifying a null range.
-- Adam
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2009-06-28 15:36 unsigned type Rob Solomon
2009-06-28 15:45 ` Florian Weimer
2009-06-28 15:48 ` Albrecht Käfer
2009-06-28 17:56 ` anon
2009-06-28 19:17 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-28 23:08 ` anon
2009-06-29 0:19 ` tmoran
2009-06-29 8:00 ` anon
2009-06-29 9:56 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-06-29 10:21 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-29 11:23 ` sjw
2009-06-29 12:07 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-06-29 20:06 ` anon
2009-06-29 19:31 ` anon
2009-06-29 21:49 ` Georg Bauhaus
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2009-06-30 11:29 ` anon
2009-06-30 12:19 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-29 20:19 ` anon
2009-06-29 20:41 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-29 22:15 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-29 23:08 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-06-29 23:11 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-06-30 12:39 ` Martin
2009-06-29 10:25 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-29 20:02 ` anon
2009-06-29 22:08 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-30 23:01 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-06-30 13:46 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-06-30 15:22 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-06-30 15:59 ` Albrecht Käfer
2009-06-30 16:59 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-06-30 17:44 ` Albrecht Käfer
2009-06-30 18:13 ` Robert A Duff
2009-06-30 18:16 ` Albrecht Käfer
2009-06-30 23:48 ` anon
2009-07-01 1:39 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-07-02 19:04 ` anon
2009-07-02 19:49 ` anon
2009-07-02 21:37 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-07-03 1:42 ` anon
2009-07-03 2:10 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-07-03 7:07 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-03 20:53 ` anon
2009-07-03 21:24 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-04 9:09 ` anon
2009-07-04 13:43 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-06 9:04 ` AdaMagica
2009-07-03 21:46 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-07-04 12:39 ` Martin
2009-07-01 8:09 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-01 15:08 ` Albrecht Käfer
2009-07-11 14:40 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-11 17:18 ` sjw
2009-07-11 18:15 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-11 20:20 ` anon
2009-07-12 17:57 ` Samuel Tardieu
2009-07-12 18:24 ` AdaMagica
2009-07-13 22:03 ` anon
2009-07-14 7:58 ` Martin
2009-07-16 13:54 ` anon
2009-07-16 14:41 ` Martin
2009-07-16 15:12 ` Adam Beneschan [this message]
2009-07-11 14:43 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-11 15:22 ` Albrecht Käfer
2009-06-29 8:42 ` Martin
2009-06-29 8:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-29 10:10 ` Martin
2009-06-29 12:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-29 19:26 ` anon
2009-06-29 23:02 ` Martin
2009-06-29 19:47 ` anon
2009-06-30 8:31 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-28 19:54 ` tmoran
2009-06-28 22:34 ` Gary Scott
2009-06-28 23:15 ` John B. Matthews
2009-06-28 23:21 ` anon
2009-06-29 7:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-29 9:52 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-29 12:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-29 13:36 ` Rob Solomon
2009-06-29 14:03 ` Robert A Duff
2009-06-29 14:13 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-29 14:18 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-29 15:40 ` Robert A Duff
2009-07-03 1:41 ` Rob Solomon
2009-07-03 7:12 ` Learning Ada (Was: unsigned type) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2009-07-03 8:38 ` Learning Ada Peter Hermann
2009-07-03 9:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-03 22:20 ` Learning Ada (Was: unsigned type) anon
2009-07-04 14:53 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-05 23:21 ` anon
2009-07-06 0:05 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-06 0:19 ` Learning Ada Albrecht Käfer
2009-07-06 2:50 ` anon
2009-07-06 6:18 ` AdaMagica
2009-07-06 7:47 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-06 20:21 ` anon
2009-07-06 21:08 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-06 22:43 ` Frank J. Lhota
2009-07-09 22:28 ` anon
2009-07-10 6:23 ` AdaMagica
2009-07-06 10:53 ` Learning Ada (Was: unsigned type) Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-06 19:34 ` anon
2009-07-06 20:29 ` Learning Ada Albrecht Käfer
2009-07-06 21:04 ` Learning Ada (Was: unsigned type) Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-07 19:25 ` sjw
2009-07-06 23:15 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-07-07 15:29 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-07-09 0:15 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-07-09 15:26 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-06-29 15:37 ` unsigned type Adam Beneschan
2009-07-06 20:20 ` Dave
2009-06-29 16:51 ` Martin Krischik
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