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From: jcb@inf.ed.ac.uk (Julian Bradfield)
Subject: Re: decimal separator (international?
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:23:52 +0000 (UTC)
Date: 2004-10-29T10:23:52+00:00	[thread overview]
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In article <8h34o0dbc2h70ojvsst879nfkthko7suok@4ax.com>,
Stefan L�rchner  <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>How on earth do anglosaxons (or is it only Americans?) call their
>numbers above one billion???

Realistically, it is now Americans and Brits (not all of whom are
Anglo-Saxons!). There are still a few people like me who refuse to
give utterance to the American versions, but if I used the British
billion, I would confuse almost all of my compatriots. Sometime in the
1970s, the Treasury announced it would start using American billions,
because all the numbers it wanted to talk about were of that
order. That infected the rest of society. Confusingly, the French used
to use the American system (they invented it both).

In the (former) British and current German system, an
n-illion is 10^(6*n) and and
n-illiard(e) is 10^(6*n+3).

In the (former) French and current American system, an
n-illion is 10^(3*(n+1)).


To be fair, the -illiard words have always been problematic in
English, because they have an unnatural pronunciation. They are 
pronounced /'mili'a:d/, with a long final a, and (according to me)
more or less equal stress on the first and last syllables, but if
they were real English words (like billiard(s)!), they'd be pronounced
/'milj@d/. "Million" and "milliard" would then be too similar.
For this reason, I always say "thousand million". But that gets pretty
tedious, and it's tempting to give up and use the American system!
But I shall be strong.

Frank, 10^42 is a lot easier in both speech and writing than either
"septillion" or "tredecillion".



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-29 10:23 UTC|newest]

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2004-10-22 10:20   ` decimal separator (international? Peter Hermann
2004-10-22 13:18     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-22 16:20       ` Erik Naggum
2004-10-22 19:29         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-10-22 20:45           ` Erik Naggum
2004-10-23 18:54       ` Chris Kaese
2004-10-25 10:16         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-29  9:52       ` Stefan L�rchner
2004-10-29  9:59         ` Adrien Plisson
2004-10-29 10:23         ` Julian Bradfield [this message]
2004-10-29 11:22           ` Markus Kuhn
2004-10-29 12:41             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-29 13:43               ` Erik Naggum
2004-10-29 13:55                 ` Julian Bradfield
2004-10-29 15:05                   ` Erik Naggum
2004-10-29 15:29                     ` Julian Bradfield
2004-10-30 12:15                     ` Binary prefixes in Google's calculator Markus Kuhn
2004-10-30 14:23                       ` Binary prefixes and decimal separators " Björn Persson
2004-10-29 12:58             ` decimal separator (international? Peter Hermann
2004-10-29 14:41               ` Björn Persson
2004-10-29 15:15                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-10-29 15:48                   ` Peter Hermann
2004-10-29 16:31                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-10-29 19:18                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-11-01 10:14                     ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-11-01 18:53                       ` Octal number system Andrew Nowicki
2004-11-01 21:47                         ` Björn Persson
2004-11-02  1:04                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-10-29 16:09                   ` decimal separator (international? Andreas Prilop
2004-10-30  9:46                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-29 14:21             ` Gee Pee (was: decimal separator (international?) Christoph Paeper
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