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From: Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP>
Subject: Re: Forcing GNAT to use 32-bit load/store instructions on ARM?
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 00:11:11 +0000 (UTC)
Date: 2014-07-10T00:11:11+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <lpklmu$evl$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1l6z27vulrv65.1xwdi0b9yactc$.dlg@40tude.net

On 2014-07-09, Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 15:34:04 -0500, Randy Brukardt wrote:
>
>> To make 
>> "Read-Modify-Write" indivisible, you'd need a test-and-set instruction, 
>> which would require far more restrictions than Atomic does. (I don't see any 
>> way to make a general Read-Modify-Write to be indivisible on Windows or 
>> Linux, for instance, as that requires shutting off interrupts.)
>
> I don't think this should be the semantics of "indivisible". Because as you
> said it incredibly difficult to ensure, but more importantly is that this
> is mot what programmers actually need. They need it rather be logically
> indivisible from the process' point of view. If the process could lose the
> processor in between would be no problem for most if not all applications.
>

Oh, I agree with this. :-)

I was just wondering if a newcomer to Ada might be confused by the
use of the word Atomic.

BTW, I'm planning on writing up the partial aggregate submission
sometime at the weekend (spare time permitting :-)).

I'm also planning on a second submission which is a request for a
formal decision regarding if Atomic on a record applies to the access
of a individual record component or not.

The wording identified by Niklas ("as a whole") would suggest not
but Randy appears to think it does. I think we need a firm decision
one way or another so we know for sure.

Simon.

-- 
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Microsoft: Bringing you 1980s technology to a 21st century world


  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-10  0:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-30 22:11 Forcing GNAT to use 32-bit load/store instructions on ARM? daniel.dmk
2014-06-30 23:41 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-01 12:06   ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-01 15:44     ` Niklas Holsti
2014-07-01 17:26       ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-01 17:18     ` Simon Wright
2014-07-01 19:43       ` Simon Wright
2014-07-01 17:28     ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-01  0:55 ` anon
2014-07-01  4:30 ` Niklas Holsti
2014-07-01  8:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-07-01 12:09   ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-01 12:20     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-07-01 17:00       ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-01 19:36         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-07-01 20:08           ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-02 22:24             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-06 20:40               ` MatthiasR
2014-07-07  0:25                 ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-07 22:38                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-08  6:51                   ` Simon Wright
2014-07-10 11:47                     ` Simon Wright
2014-07-10 13:06                       ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-11 18:05                         ` Simon Wright
2014-07-11 20:22                           ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-08  8:50                   ` Brian Drummond
2014-07-08 12:12                   ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-08 13:26                     ` G.B.
2014-07-08 17:13                       ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-08 15:36                     ` Adam Beneschan
2014-07-08 15:40                       ` Adam Beneschan
2014-07-08 20:34                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-09  7:31                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-07-10  0:11                         ` Simon Clubley [this message]
2014-07-20 11:35                   ` MatthiasR
2014-07-20 15:49                     ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-26 11:05                       ` MatthiasR
2014-08-10 11:20                         ` MatthiasR
2014-07-01 12:03 ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-01 19:52   ` daniel.dmk
2014-07-01 20:40     ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-01 20:55       ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-01 21:01       ` Niklas Holsti
2014-07-01 21:20         ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-01 22:38           ` Niklas Holsti
2014-07-02 16:49             ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-01 21:55         ` daniel.dmk
2014-07-02  7:30     ` Simon Wright
2014-07-02 18:52       ` daniel.dmk
2014-07-04 23:51       ` Niklas Holsti
2014-07-05  0:18         ` Niklas Holsti
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