From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: New aggregates with Ada 2022.
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 10:44:17 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <t9jnp1$205$1@gioia.aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: t9jaqe$1n5d9$1@dont-email.me
On 2022-06-30 07:03, Randy Brukardt wrote:
> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message
> news:t9h4i9$118a$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> ...
>>> A language that provided direct support for these abstractions should not
>>> need to provide arrays.
>>
>> Which is of course impossible considering the variety of maps (e.g. graph
>> is a map etc) and all problem-space specific.
>
> Nobody uses arrays to implement graphs anyway.
It depends on the type of graph and operations on it, high-connectivity
graphs (incidence matrix) or b-trees (blocks) certainly would use arrays.
> That's something you do when
> you are using a language like Fortran 66 that doesn't have any abstractions.
But that is unrelated to abstraction. FORTRAN had no access types
therefore memory management of graph nodes was user-implemented on top
of large arrays with the array index playing the role of a pointer to
the node.
Even if FORTRAN had abstract data types, in order to implement a graph
datatype you would still have to resort to arrays. It is just different
things: abstraction does not mean you have it implemented and
conversely. In Ada we have array implementation, but very limited
abstraction of:
1. formal generic arrays
2. definite/indefinite unification
Index and aggregate hacks in no way support or extend the abstraction as
the OP noticed.
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-06-19 7:59 New aggregates with Ada 2022 Blady
2022-06-19 14:15 ` Simon Wright
2022-06-20 19:36 ` Blady
2022-06-20 22:01 ` Simon Wright
2022-06-20 21:47 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-20 22:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-21 23:28 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-22 9:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-23 1:06 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-23 9:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-23 10:53 ` G.B.
2022-06-24 1:21 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-24 1:24 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-24 6:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-25 3:13 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-25 8:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-27 21:37 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-28 5:36 ` Niklas Holsti
2022-06-29 4:01 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-29 8:30 ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-06-29 9:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-30 5:03 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30 8:44 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2022-06-29 11:06 ` Niklas Holsti
2022-06-29 12:53 ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-06-30 5:07 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30 5:14 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30 8:31 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2022-07-01 5:20 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30 10:30 ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-06-30 15:48 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2022-06-30 16:39 ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-07-01 0:07 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2022-06-28 7:52 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-29 4:07 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-29 7:24 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-30 5:00 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-21 23:39 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-22 8:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-23 1:10 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-23 9:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-20 22:10 ` Jesper Quorning
2022-06-20 22:59 ` Jesper Quorning
2022-06-21 23:20 ` Randy Brukardt
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