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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: New aggregates with Ada 2022.
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 10:44:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <t9jnp1$205$1@gioia.aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: t9jaqe$1n5d9$1@dont-email.me

On 2022-06-30 07:03, Randy Brukardt wrote:
> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message
> news:t9h4i9$118a$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> ...
>>> A language that provided direct support for these abstractions should not
>>> need to provide arrays.
>>
>> Which is of course impossible considering the variety of maps (e.g. graph
>> is a map etc) and all problem-space specific.
> 
> Nobody uses arrays to implement graphs anyway.

It depends on the type of graph and operations on it, high-connectivity 
graphs (incidence matrix) or b-trees (blocks) certainly would use arrays.

> That's something you do when
> you are using a language like Fortran 66 that doesn't have any abstractions.

But that is unrelated to abstraction. FORTRAN had no access types 
therefore memory management of graph nodes was user-implemented on top 
of large arrays with the array index playing the role of a pointer to 
the node.

Even if FORTRAN had abstract data types, in order to implement a graph 
datatype you would still have to resort to arrays. It is just different 
things: abstraction does not mean you have it implemented and 
conversely. In Ada we have array implementation, but very limited 
abstraction of:

1. formal generic arrays
2. definite/indefinite unification

Index and aggregate hacks in no way support or extend the abstraction as 
the OP noticed.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de

  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-30  8:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-19  7:59 New aggregates with Ada 2022 Blady
2022-06-19 14:15 ` Simon Wright
2022-06-20 19:36   ` Blady
2022-06-20 22:01     ` Simon Wright
2022-06-20 21:47 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-20 22:18   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-21 23:28     ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-22  9:04       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-23  1:06         ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-23  9:32           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-23 10:53             ` G.B.
2022-06-24  1:21               ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-24  1:24             ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-24  6:50               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-25  3:13                 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-25  8:50                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-27 21:37                     ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-28  5:36                       ` Niklas Holsti
2022-06-29  4:01                         ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-29  8:30                           ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-06-29  9:04                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-30  5:03                               ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30  8:44                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2022-06-29 11:06                             ` Niklas Holsti
2022-06-29 12:53                               ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-06-30  5:07                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30  5:14                               ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30  8:31                                 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2022-07-01  5:20                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-30 10:30                                 ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-06-30 15:48                                   ` Marius Amado-Alves
2022-06-30 16:39                                     ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-07-01  0:07                                       ` Marius Amado-Alves
2022-06-28  7:52                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-29  4:07                         ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-29  7:24                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-30  5:00                             ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-21 23:39     ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-22  8:26       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-23  1:10         ` Randy Brukardt
2022-06-23  9:32           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-06-20 22:10 ` Jesper Quorning
2022-06-20 22:59   ` Jesper Quorning
2022-06-21 23:20     ` Randy Brukardt
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