From: John McCabe <john@nospam.mccabe.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Carbon
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 09:09:57 -0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <tbgdt5$3pbdq$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f91d8f78-d92f-4200-a1bd-dce840bf0400n@googlegroups.com>
On 22/07/2022 22:13, Gautier write-only address wrote:
>Next attempt to replace C/C++ without really replacing it: Carbon!
>
>You will notice, as usual, a few aspects borrowed from Ada - and one point inspired by Ada 83 (which was relaxed in a later Ada version) :-)
>
I read that stuff yesterday and, yet again, shook my head in disbelief :-(
The bit where I laughed was where it was claimed that C++ is building
technical debt because it's not changing quickly enough; C++ is currently a
mess because it's changing too quickly! Half-baked, and half-implemented
ideas are going into 'standards' in the full knowledge that they'll change
again in the next one. Even g++ doesn't provide 100% support for C++17
(https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html#cxx17)!
Carbon is likely to be even worse; every 'new' language that promises the
earth, without being designed in a rigorous way, ends up with the same
problems. Java - I started playing with that in the 90s and got frustrated
that every update brought more and more depreciation warnings in. Python -
2.x -> 3.0 was a massive jump (and took years to gain traction) because the
'designers' just hadn't done a very good job to start with! Rust? Mmm
As for the 'reuse C++ syntax'; why the obsession with that? C++ syntax is
really bad! (Semantics, in some cases, are another level - how many
languages need a book like "C++ Gotchas"?!).
Aaaaarrrrgghhh!
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2022-07-22 21:13 Carbon Gautier write-only address
2022-07-23 9:09 ` John McCabe [this message]
2022-07-23 13:14 ` Carbon Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-07-23 13:49 ` Carbon Stéphane Rivière
2022-07-24 9:09 ` Carbon Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-07-24 9:22 ` Carbon Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-07-24 9:38 ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-26 17:31 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-27 8:10 ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-27 17:24 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-27 20:00 ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-28 23:48 ` Carbon Nasser M. Abbasi
2022-07-29 4:34 ` Carbon Devin Rozsas
2022-07-29 11:03 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-29 19:05 ` Carbon Gautier write-only address
2022-07-30 9:16 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-30 8:11 ` Carbon G.B.
2022-07-29 18:59 ` Carbon Gautier write-only address
2022-07-30 4:26 ` Carbon Nasser M. Abbasi
2022-07-30 9:21 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-30 1:40 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-07-30 4:23 ` Carbon Nasser M. Abbasi
2022-08-06 14:18 ` Carbon dennis knorr
2022-08-06 17:48 ` Carbon A.J.
2022-08-07 9:08 ` Carbon G.B.
2022-08-08 21:38 ` Carbon dennis knorr
2022-08-08 22:28 ` Carbon Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-08-09 4:12 ` Carbon Randy Brukardt
2022-08-09 6:05 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-09 7:22 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-10 1:19 ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-10 6:20 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-10 17:58 ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-10 18:10 ` Carbon Dennis Lee Bieber
2022-08-10 8:24 ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-08-10 17:59 ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-18 1:02 ` Carbon Randy Brukardt
2022-08-27 9:49 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-27 20:39 ` Carbon Simon Wright
2022-07-27 23:30 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-25 9:14 ` Carbon Fabien Chouteau
2022-08-25 17:55 ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-26 18:59 ` Carbon Olivier Henley
2022-08-26 20:23 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-26 20:59 ` Carbon Olivier Henley
2022-08-26 21:40 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-26 22:18 ` Carbon Olivier Henley
2022-08-27 0:06 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-28 0:30 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28 1:32 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-28 8:57 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28 17:34 ` Carbon G.B.
2022-09-01 6:46 ` Carbon J-P. Rosen
2022-09-02 14:18 ` Carbon G.B.
2022-09-02 14:59 ` Carbon J-P. Rosen
2022-09-02 17:55 ` Carbon Niklas Holsti
2022-09-02 18:45 ` Carbon J-P. Rosen
2022-09-03 0:23 ` Carbon Randy Brukardt
2022-08-28 20:43 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-29 8:57 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28 0:14 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28 17:39 ` Carbon G.B.
2022-08-28 18:24 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-26 23:21 ` Carbon Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-08-27 11:27 ` Carbon Rod Kay
2022-08-27 15:20 ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-27 23:47 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-27 23:39 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-27 8:45 ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-27 13:16 ` Carbon Patrick Georgi
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