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From: Benjamin Ketcham <bketcham@drizzle.com>
Subject: Re: Embedded Keynote Speaker Mentions Ada
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:22:53 -0000
Date: 2004-09-23T22:22:53+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1095978171.340824@yasure> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.63.1095891612.390.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org

Marius Amado Alves <amado.alves@netcabo.pt> wrote:
>>>Yes, and better yet, IMO, would be more advanced systems,
>>>distributed systems e.g. Plan 9 or Unununium, or real time systems
>>>e.g. VxWorks (is there a port to stock PCs already?), or a
>>>combination, because c'mon, the Linux kernel sucks eggs.

A "more advanced" system would only be of interest in *this* context,
if it is widely used (or has the realistic potential to become
widely used).

>> VxWorks has its place, sure, and if you were developing eg a set-top
>> box it might be the right thing. Even there people are using embedded
>> Linux for preference.
> 
> Doesn't a set-top require real time? RTLinux?
> 
>> Pretty sure you can get VxWorks off the shelf for stock PCs...
> 
> Cool, maybe I'll try some day. I'm pretty fed up with Windows and Linux.
> 
>> Not sure whether sucking eggs is (in your view) good or bad?
> 
> Bad. No real time. Not distributed. Monolithic. (Sorry I though sucking 
> eggs was universally bad :-)

I think "monolithic" is debatable, in terms of being a disadvantage.
Linus and others have made reasonable-sounding arguments for the
benefits of a monolithic design.  It is certainly a considered choice.
Witness the Windows NT kernel: started out at least somewhat modular,
but then they had to fold performance-crucial aspects (such as
graphics) back into a monolithic kernel.

Distributed: what about Beowulf?

Real time: RTLinux, etc..

Again, my point is not to argue that Linux is some kind of great
OS without any flaws.  Its greatest benefits IMO are that it's
free, and that it works *well enough*: i.e., a heck of a lot better
than Windows.  If something comes along that works a heck of a lot
better than Linux, then that will be of interest.

--Benjamin




  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-09-23 22:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-16 23:57 Embedded Keynote Speaker Mentions Ada Jim Gurtner
2004-09-17  0:28 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-17  1:16   ` Jim Gurtner
2004-09-17 23:08   ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-18  0:26     ` stephane richard
2004-09-18  0:57       ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-20  0:23       ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-20  2:11         ` stephane richard
2004-09-20 14:05           ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-20 20:55             ` stephane richard
2004-09-20 22:06               ` Björn Persson
2004-09-21  0:38                 ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-21  2:44                   ` stephane richard
2004-09-21 11:48                     ` Björn Persson
2004-09-21 18:08                       ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-21  1:07             ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-21 16:59               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-21 19:12                 ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-21 19:49                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-22  0:50                     ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-22 10:08                 ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-22 13:04                   ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-22 13:52                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-22 20:59                       ` Simon Wright
2004-09-22 22:19                         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-23 19:12                           ` Simon Wright
2004-09-23 22:22                           ` Benjamin Ketcham [this message]
2004-09-22 23:06                       ` Björn Persson
2004-09-22 16:56                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-22 17:36                       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-23 10:34                     ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-21 20:34             ` Tom
2004-09-21 22:07               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-22  6:20                 ` Tom
2004-09-22  7:48                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-22 20:28                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-22 23:15                       ` Björn Persson
2004-09-23 22:19                         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-22  9:21                   ` Ada and malicious software Björn Persson
2004-09-22 16:59                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-23  7:33                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-22  0:56               ` Embedded Keynote Speaker Mentions Ada Cesar Rabak
2004-09-22  2:43               ` stephane richard
2004-09-22  9:24                 ` Peter Hermann
2004-09-23 22:09               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-24  3:21                 ` CBFalconer
2004-09-26 11:02                 ` Tom
2004-09-17  2:10 ` Steve
2004-09-17  4:30   ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-17 23:58 ` Christopher Browne
2004-09-18  1:01   ` Ed Falis
2004-09-18  3:50     ` Christopher Browne
2004-09-18 11:22   ` Simon Wright
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2004-09-17  6:10 Christoph Karl Walter Grein
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