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From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: Embedded Keynote Speaker Mentions Ada
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:59:47 -0400
Date: 2004-09-21T12:59:47-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <y4Z3d.9948$bL1.611555@news20.bellglobal.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1095728821.921629@yasure>

Benjamin Ketcham wrote:
> Cesar Rabak <crabak@acm.org> wrote:
> 
>>Even in a non commercial arena, why can't we convince Open Source
>>enthusiats to write the system software in Ada and start to make a
>>difference in this realm (my perception of their account on bugs is that
>>they have a better response time, not intrinsical better designed in
>>security)?
> 
> Well, this is a very good point.  I would suggest that a way to
> make Ada much more popular, would be to recode the Linux kernel
> in Ada.  

I think your heart is in the right place, but I would suggest
that an Ada clone of Linux makes it a wanna-be. In some senses
it is probably true that Linux was a UNIX-wannabe, though Linus
admitted that it was easier to use existing standards (POSIX
for example) than to develop new one(s).

I would suggest that an Ada O/S with the same principles learned
from UNIX et al. would be a good thing, but let's not do
a "UNIX version in Ada" or a "Linux version in Ada".

Radically new O/S research is welcomed also but the danger
there is that something radically different is not likely to get off
the ground. So I would suggest that a practical Ada O/S with
"normal features" could be developed without the need to
follow a standard.

Maybe this too is asking too much because it requires
the development of both a new O/S and a new "standard"
(and obviously a big porting headache for X11 etc).  Yet
it would be real nice to have a natural Ada API base
on which C programs had to adapt. ;_)

> How long does someone who actually knows Ada (not me) think it
> would take to translate the kernel to Ada?  

I think this process is the wrong way to put something into
Ada. Ada can be made to look like a C program, but I don't
see any benefit to that.

Only by redesign, in Ada terms (not C ones), does such a
project have any useful outcome. For this you toss away
the C code, and design from the requirements.  And what
I am suggesting is that you don't need the Linux kernel
to dictate your requirements.

-- 
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg



  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-21 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-16 23:57 Embedded Keynote Speaker Mentions Ada Jim Gurtner
2004-09-17  0:28 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-17  1:16   ` Jim Gurtner
2004-09-17 23:08   ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-18  0:26     ` stephane richard
2004-09-18  0:57       ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-20  0:23       ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-20  2:11         ` stephane richard
2004-09-20 14:05           ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-20 20:55             ` stephane richard
2004-09-20 22:06               ` Björn Persson
2004-09-21  0:38                 ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-21  2:44                   ` stephane richard
2004-09-21 11:48                     ` Björn Persson
2004-09-21 18:08                       ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-21  1:07             ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-21 16:59               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG [this message]
2004-09-21 19:12                 ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-21 19:49                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-22  0:50                     ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-22 10:08                 ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-22 13:04                   ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-22 13:52                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-22 20:59                       ` Simon Wright
2004-09-22 22:19                         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-23 19:12                           ` Simon Wright
2004-09-23 22:22                           ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-22 23:06                       ` Björn Persson
2004-09-22 16:56                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-22 17:36                       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-23 10:34                     ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-21 20:34             ` Tom
2004-09-21 22:07               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-22  6:20                 ` Tom
2004-09-22  7:48                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-22 20:28                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-22 23:15                       ` Björn Persson
2004-09-23 22:19                         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-22  9:21                   ` Ada and malicious software Björn Persson
2004-09-22 16:59                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-23  7:33                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-22  0:56               ` Embedded Keynote Speaker Mentions Ada Cesar Rabak
2004-09-22  2:43               ` stephane richard
2004-09-22  9:24                 ` Peter Hermann
2004-09-23 22:09               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-24  3:21                 ` CBFalconer
2004-09-26 11:02                 ` Tom
2004-09-17  2:10 ` Steve
2004-09-17  4:30   ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-17 23:58 ` Christopher Browne
2004-09-18  1:01   ` Ed Falis
2004-09-18  3:50     ` Christopher Browne
2004-09-18 11:22   ` Simon Wright
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2004-09-17  6:10 Christoph Karl Walter Grein
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